[WhackyIdeas]

There are moments of joy and content, but for myself I always personally know that hell is just over the hill. Doesn’t mean I can’t enjoy things. But I suppose there comes a time when some people just get too tired of it all. I also personally believe the act of taking your own life is utterly courageous… every cell in our body’s are designed to want to live. Pushing fast fear of the ultimate unknown is something else. And anyone out there who says crap like “the cowards way out” is an absolute pea brain in my eyes.

[WhackyIdeas]

Being downvoted for these points is a clear (and uncomfortable for mentally healthy people to digest) example of why depressed people often feel it’s pointless to speak and be honest about their thoughts. Because they feel no one wants to hear them.

[starkd]

There is a fine line between being honest with your thoughts and indulging in unhelpful solutions as anything other than unhelpful. Life is not about living on the terms you choose. You inherit the terms under which you are to live. Rejecting those terms is indeed cowardly. Being able to adapt is what takes courage. (And I say this with full awareness of my own limitations as well.)

[wnolens]

Calling someone a coward is insulting regardless. Let's not put that label on folks near the edge - you have no idea what they dealing with. It might bring you to your knees far earlier.

[WhackyIdeas]

Absolutely 100%. We hear it all the time though. And imagine how hurtful it is for families and friends to hear that drivel about a loved one. Makes my blood boil.

[starkd]

It's not about putting a label on anyone. It's about making sure it doesn't inadvertently become a model for others. No counselor or friend is going to be there when they are alone and make the decision.

[marcinzm]

To some people simply living for some time requires more courage than any reasonable person would muster in a lifetime. Reprimanding them for not having even more courage seems a sad thing to say.

[WhackyIdeas]

What solutions are you referring to? I didn’t give any solutions, did I?

[starkd]

Proposing suicide as a solution. It is quite cowardly, because you are rejecting the terms life handed you. Courage is persisting through to finding a way of living on those terms.

[WhackyIdeas]

In absolutely no way on earth did I propose suicide as a solution - what vile nonsense. Maybe read something properly before throwing a damaging allegation like that. Pfft. I’m done commenting any more on this topic with you.

[starkd]

Not you specifically. I'm sorry if that was the impression.

[skissane]

> There are moments of joy and content, but for myself I always personally know that hell is just over the hill.

Is the belief that "hell is just over the hill" rational? Or is it a self-fulfilling prophecy? Maybe that belief is in itself one of the major causes of that "hell"–and, despite thinking that you "know" that, not genuine knowledge at all, rather a harmful delusion