[eitland]

If this is correct, and it looks like it is: Good!

2022 has been a bad year for first Russia, then Iran and China and I hope they'll come crashing down, mostly because of the courage of Ukrainians as well as Iranian and Chinese citizens, but also because of actions like this.

Good work Jetbrains!

[Ekaros]

Now if only people in USA had courage to stand up and start prosecuting those behind drone strikes and invasions of Iraq and Afganistan.

[reitanqild]

One thing can be right without the other being wrong.

I personally welcome criticism against USA as long as it isn't based on hate of USA but on general ideas. Very simplified: one should be ready to be proportionally critical to everyone else.

For a practical example: I do not find it useful to listen to people who criticize USA (43000 dead civilians in Afghanistan in 20 years) while being utterly silent on Soviet Russia (somewhere between 500 000 and 2 500 000 dead in 10 years, sometimes in ways that make drone strikes look very civil).

Or, if you say Soviet Russia is long ago (it isn't, many of us grew up in its shadows), it seems Russia has already killed more civilians in Ukraine in 10 months than US killed civilians in Afghanistan in 20 years. This of course comes on top of what they did and still do in Syria etc.

Edit: I personally very much hope both:

- that the parts of US that haven't realized how much crazy some Americans have done abroad. I understand it will be very very hard to bring to justice those who are responsible, but at least find a way to make sure no nore weddings are bombed with precision guided weapons.

- that others who hate everything US is and stand for will at some point take a step back and realize how many people can thank American action for their lives.

[mempko]

Ok, but A million dead Iraqis. Afghanistan was childs play for the US. In fact, US sanctions against Iraq starved 500,000 children.

Both governments, Russia and US, are war machines. As far as I'm aware, not a single large US software company left the US because of those wars.

JetBrains is amazing by any standard.

[Mikeb85]

Both were dictatorships and terrorist nations. Not even close to equivalent.

Ukraine is a democracy of 45 million people that's never threatened another nation.

[janef0421]

I find the claim that Ukraine is a "democracy" questionable considering the handling of the conflict in Donbas. Rather than allowing devolution of powers to the region, so that the predominantly Russian-speaking people of those regions can make local laws that reflect their interests, they have pursued a devastating 8 year long war. During the cause of this war, they have repeatedly reneged on promises made in treaties and deployed large neo-nazi militias, who view their activity in Donbas as part of an anti-slav race war. I do not think such actions are compatible with democracy.

[Mikeb85]

Straight up propaganda here. You omitted the fact that Russia invaded Donbas 8 years ago.

Also it's funny that Russia's "liberation" looks like mass murder, rape, genocide, kidnapping children and bombing apartments and hospitals...

> part of an anti-slav race war.

This is straight up hilarious since Ukrainian language is far closer to other Slavic languages than to Russian. Also Russia's been selling this war to Muslim minorities as a chance to "kill Slavs".

[random314]

> Both were dictatorships and terrorist nations. Not even close to equivalent.

The invasion of Iraq was launched through Saudi Arabia. Another great democracy!

[my_city]

Lol. The USA is the premier terrorist nation in the world, they funded Al-Qaeda and countless anti-communist militias and right-wing terrorist cells across the world. So according to your definition, the USA deserves to be invaded, since they are "a terrorist nation".

Also, Ukraine has not been a real democracy for a long time. The communist party is banned (https://ukrainetoday.org/2022/07/05/ukraine-banned-the-commu...), Zelensky banned opposition parties (https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/3/21/why-did-ukraine...) and opposing media (https://europeanjournalists.org/blog/2021/08/26/ukraine-pres...).

Also, can you get more sadistic in your message? Afghanistan and Iraq also had million of people who suffered tremendously from the criminal, genocidical invasion of their homeland. Ukraine is a developed nation, Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Korea, all the countries that the American Empire invaded were poor, underdeveloped and were already suffering without a war. Is disgusting how little value the lives of "poor brown people" have in the eyes of "the West".

[Mikeb85]

Afghanistan has suffered greatly under the Taliban. Ask the women there how their lives are... As for Iraq, ask Iranians how they feel about Saddam? Or the Kuwaitis? Or the Kurds? Or the many dissidents that Saddam murdered...

And Ukraine didn't ban opposition parties, it's obvious you know nothing about their politics. They literally only banned parties that were ACTIVELY helping the Russians kill their own people. All the non-treasonous parties are still there. Also, every western country has special wartime laws. And considering Ukraine has had 3 different parties in power from the last 3 elections, you could argue they're among the most democratic countries...

[mtnGoat]

Maybe we can talk about the millions of Uighur China has stashed away in concentration camps?

The Chinese don’t exactly have clean hands either there bud. They have millions of their own citizens suffering, and dying, by their own governments hands.

If I were you, I’d choose other talking points when attempting to attack the west.

[graymatters]

As an independent nation Ukraine committed actual genocide against other ethnic religious population within its borders at least 3 times. 2 of them during the 20th century. Ukraine never acknowledged those, neither took responsibility, nor expressed any form of regret. If you think Ukraine is morally any better than Russia than you know no history. While very much against the invasion of Russia into Ukraine, Ukrainians should not be helped until they express genuine repentance for their historic crimes.

[reitanqild]

For some reason it seems Russia and Ukraine diverge sharply after 1991, and for some reason, Ukrainian authorities today enjoy strong support from all ethnic religious minorities and majorities, including amazingly both Atheists, Christians from various groups, Jews and Muslims. That is pretty impressive.

Notable exception: the FSB "branch of the Orthodox Church" that is under direct leadership of "Patriarch" Kiril, a former(???) FSB personality who still need to edit away luxury watches from his photos...

[Mikeb85]

Can't even give an example?

Because every non-Russian historian would say otherwise...

Exhibit A: Holodomor.

[ashwagary]

Even worse, many locals still celebrate the thought leaders behind some of the genocidal activities in Ukraine.