[gryf]

Despite writing tomes of scathing bitching about Windows 11, I have to say that the direction it's going in is the correct one.

All they have to do is kill off the mandatory cloud sign in everywhere, the telemetry, the crapware bundled with it, fix the S3 sleep problems, actually do some QA for a change, make the onboarding experience smooth as butter, deal with the buggity hellscape that is Windows Hello, fix all the stupid HiDPI weirdness, clean up at least 50% of the legacy shite hiding behind it and start respecting customers again and they will have a product.

Oh and fucking stick to one UI for a bit.

Edit: honestly I would love to use Windows on a daily basis. I lived through the glory days of Windows 2000 and it was consistent and dependable back then. Every step forward since has been two steps backwards.

[Baeocystin]

>clean up at least 50% of the legacy shite hiding behind it

...but that legacy shite is where me and the rest of the IT folks can actually find the options that have been removed from the 'improved' interface!

[UI_at_80x24]

>I lived through the glory days of Windows 2000 and it was consistent and dependable back then. Every step forward since has been two steps backwards.

I can't tell you how often I've repeated this.

Windows UI/UX was at it's pinnacle for Win2k. I miss it.

[basch]

Same era but the predecessor to Metro. Encarta 1999/2000. High contrast, and overall extremely easy navigability.

[colpabar]

That's a lot of things they still need to change - what are the good things about it? I use windows 10 at home and it's fine, but it feels like it's slowly becoming 11 without asking me. There's an ad on my lock screen now.

[gryf]

It's really fast so you can fuck the crapware off in record time.

That point is in jest but it really annoys the hell out of me that the excellent work the core windows guys have been doing is being compromised by the veneer of diarrhea over the top.

[hdjjhhvvhga]

> All they have to do is

Well, you basically list major problems we have with Windows in general. 11 is not that different from 10 in that respect. So it's hard to say "the direction it's going in is the correct one" - I understand why they are pushing this stuff down our throats, but they are not winning users. Whoever can switches away.

[prometheus76]

whoosh

[trollerator23]

lol. yes. Specifically, the whole cloud sign in SUCKS

[bradford]

Disclaimer, MS employee here, but I've got to say that the cloud sign-in is one of my favorite features.

The amount of time I spend worrying about and preparing for a hard drive failure has significantly gone down.

I'm able to have one device at home, and another at work, and they stay reasonably in-sync with one another.

I'm able to check things from my phone (even if I can't be productive on the phone, at least having access to progress made on my home machine is important).

I see others commenting here about how hard it is to create a local-only account on Windows 11, and I don't want to dismiss such criticism, but I'm personally never going back to a local-only account on my devices.

[masterof0]

Good for you. Most people don't want Microsoft to own their data. You get that? User's data belong to them, if you are set to share all your personal data with Microsoft , then it should be an opt-in process (maybe they can entice you with Bing points or some sort of rewards?). It should be offline by default. As customer are already paying for the operating system. You can also use many syncing solutions from Google drive to dropbox, and many others. Regarding the "amount of time I spend worrying about hard drive failure" , never have I had a hard drive that just dies, is possible , but extremely unlikely, I make a backup of my important stuffs to other hard drives or the cloud. Cloud sign-on is just another way to track users and violates their basic privacy rights.

[gryf]

I’ve had more critical OneDrive failures in the last two years than hard disk failures in the last 30 years. I’ve experienced actual data loss on OneDrive three times since 2020.

It’s not a backup and it’s a shitty safety net for trivial cases. Fortunately I had beem backing up OneDrive up using Beyond Compare to an external disk and doing a binary comparison so I could find the cocked up files and recover them.

It’s funny the only time I’ve had to do a restore is because Microsoft’s cloud fucked up.

[yoyohello13]

Well, I'm glad you trust your employer to be a good steward of your personal data. I certainly don't trust them...

[hbn]

Even aside from the "MS owning your data" point other people are surely taking issue with - people are syncing their personal and work devices?

I do not want that at all!

[bradford]

> people are syncing their personal and work devices

No, that's not what was said and I'm not sure how you interpreted that. I have a work device at home and in-office. My work devices use different user accounts from my personal devices.

[btschaegg]

I think you missed the "mandatory".

It's like religion. You have one. Good for you. Don't shove it down other people's throats.

Edit: I just realized this could read rather harsh. I didn't refer to you explaining your preferences, but "shoving it down our throats" is seemingly the current attitude of MS as a whole.

[trollerator23]

I use it too, but seriously why is it so obfuscated to create a local account? Microsoft is clearly making it very hard.