[oxplot]

You are aware that manufactures face penalties for lying and deception, right? I can't recall Tesla ever being fined for misleading marketing, ever.

> Tesla semi was production ready in 2020

I guess you've never missed a deadline. That's not lying. It's miscalculation.

> and was more efficient than train

A Semi convoy is expected to be cheaper than a train and they re-iterated that in the latest event. No evidence to the contrary so far.

> And whatever other lies musk said back then.

Promised 500 miles. Delivered 500 miles. Turned the impossible (according to pretty much everyone, from Bill Gates, to CEO of truck making companies who joked that Tesla Semi will be breaking laws of physics) into late. Still not lying.

> Musk is prolific deceiver, I dont trust a single thing coming out of his mouth nor his websites.

He doesn't have websites. He has companies that have websites.

> Tesla cars are notorious for its expensive repairs. Its a huge cost and risk switching to it.

Is that why Hertz, that puts the most number of miles on a passenger vehicle has ordered 100000 Teslas, 20% of its global fleet, because it loves to waste money on cost of repair?

[lordfrito]

> I can't recall Tesla ever being fined for misleading marketing, ever.

It's coming:

Tesla Is Sued By Drivers Over Alleged False Autopilot, Full Self-Driving Claims [1]

Tesla faces U.S. criminal probe over self-driving claims [2]

California regulator claims Tesla falsely advertised Autopilot, Full Self-Driving [3]

[1] https://www.carandbike.com/news/tesla-is-sued-by-drivers-ove...

[2] https://archive.ph/zceIz

[3] https://archive.ph/7qYSm

[oxplot]

The lawsuits are coming, sure, it's US. People sue each other for sports. I'd be disappointed if they didn't sue Tesla ten times a year.

I'll listen when any of those actually results in Tesla being found at fault after a final decision.

[lordfrito]

I'm curious, can someone explain why this is getting downvoted? My entire comment was just links to 3 news articles.

Trying to figure out have I broken some rule here? Or is this topic really controversial?

[sangnoir]

Simple answer: the thread has become a tribal flame war. It's not about the content of your comment, but which side you're on.

That said, negative karma on such comments is usually transient, and for that reason, HN guidelines recommended that you don't complain about downvotes. Such cases typically self-correct after a few hours.

[cma]

> Still not lying.

In 2017 at the event he said they already had the technology to do truck automated follower convoys today (2017), it was only stopped by regulators. Seems like a complete lie given what we know of how their technology played out and even the single track tesla in tunnels in vegas still use drivers.

On Tesla's own website since around 2016 they said the cars could operate on their own but they only have a driver there for legal reasons (opening scrawl to the video at tesla.com/autopilot). Complete lie, the Nvidia stack and the software Tesla had for it couldn't do it, nor could several later stacks over the years. Regulators weren't what was stopping them unless they are saying they at Tesla are murderous psychopaths and would kill if it weren't illegal.

[Zigurd]

Tesla making empty claims on this is even more annoying since Toyota, which has a far more conservative approach to AV announcements, thinks this is near-term attainable for their Hino semis.

[inferiorhuman]

   I can't recall Tesla ever being fined for misleading marketing, ever.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/05/california-dmv-says-tesla-fs...

[oxplot]

You've linked to an "accusation" without any fines. Thanks for wasting my time.

[inferiorhuman]

Tesla hasn't been fined by California because a.) the threat was a stop sale not a fine and b.) the process is still underway. I mean hey, Germany told Tesla to stop advertising autopilot because it was deceptive. But the only punishment that counts is monetary, right?