[pessimizer]

I've made that argument, and you can accept it or not. The larger point is that accusing people of playing victims is always a distraction from actual argument, and the entire thread is evidence of that. It started with irrelevance and ended nowhere.

[posterboy]

> The larger point is that accusing people of playing victims is always a distraction from actual argume

Yes, and when they are really playing they become the victim of their own ploy.