[JZM8yKnRvGv]

AFAIK from 2019 to 2022 there were five elections, all of them where won by the center right (the center or the right)

The right is (was) led by Netanyahu, the center by Ganz, a retired military general, former ministry of defense. Not exactly two champions of progressivism.

I don't recall a victory of the left or the Arab parties in Israel, maybe it's because, like in Iran, the situation in the area forces them to act in a certain way, to not disappear.

I don't condone what's happening in Iran, but I think I understand why there isn't a democracy of the same kind we like to pride ourselves in the west.

I think OP meant to say that Iran is to be considered more democratic than its neighbouring countries: Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Emirates (and so on). Some of them (we all know who they are) are close friends of the west or some western countries, one in particular (we all know which one is it), and I honestly believe they are more dangerous than Iran.

[sharikous]

You are oversimplifying Israeli politics. Concepts like "left" and "right" do not apply fully there as there are at least three fundamental splits that are somewhat independent: appeasement with the Palestinians vs hawkish politics, economic right/left, religion vs secularism. And what wins is a coalition, not a single party, so the bag is even more mixed, not to mention that parties have internal currents too

From 2019 we had 5 elections:

- 2 elections with no winner and no coalition forming

- 1 election that brought constitutional changes and a government of center-right (towards Palestinians), center-left (economically) mixed religious-secular

- 1 election that was also center-right (Palestinians) but included an Arab party too, mixed bag (economically) more secular than religious

- the last election that appears to be full right (Palestinians), mixed right/left (economically), substantially pro-religion

I can agree that the policy towards the Palestinians is somewhat fixed on the center-right but there are very clear reasons for that. Neither ignoring the Palestinian problem, as attempted in the '70s and '80s nor appeasing them, as was done in the '90s and '00s, proved to be less than disastrous solutions.

But economically you will find a lot of leftist ideas even in "rightist" parties, out in the open or somewhat overt (allowances for the religious) and the secular/religious split is becoming a strong force of polarization too

[peoplefromibiza]

> And what wins is a coalition, not a single party, so the bag is even more mixed, not to mention that parties have internal currents too

Yes and that's what my original answer meant.

We can say the same thing about Iran, but we don't because it's easier to make the enemy look 2D, 100% evil, no complexity, only sins, mistakes and violence. We also say stpid shit like: democracy will fix everything, knowing very well it won't it would simply allow us to negotiate a way into their "market".

Rethotical propagandistic tactic don't work anymore in 2022 and I believe we should be honest to ourselves if we wanna talk about complex socio political topics.

Us 100% good vs Them 100% bad is not the way, IMO.

[josh_fyi]

Referring to the most recent coalition, as listed here,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty-sixth_government_of_Isr...

The Islamist party I mentioned was United Arab List and the leftist ones I mentioned were Labor and Meretz.

[JZM8yKnRvGv]

> The Islamist party I mentioned was United Arab List and the leftist ones I mentioned were Labor and Meretz.

True, but that was what in Germany call "Große Koalition" the only thing the coalition had in common was that the did not like Netanyahu

It only lasted one year.

Ra'am (United Arab List) took only 3% of the votes, Labour 6% and they were among other center-right and full right wing parties.