[musk_micropenis]

Please don't resort to conflating criticism of China (however speculative) with Sinophobia. It lowers the tone of the discussion and imputes a motive onto your peers which isn't warranted. If you have a problem with the facts of the discussion then address them directly.

[nemothekid]

Repeating a previous comment:

If you want TikTok banned in the US because they don't have proper data hygiene and you believe that data could be used by the CCP in the future that is fair.

If you want TikTok banned in the US because you believe that they promote dumb content as part of some strategic Chinese plot and you conveniently ignore Meta and Google, I'm going to assume that your reasoning comes from irrational fear of the Chinese. It doesn't make sense to distrust the Chinese when they are doing the same thing as Americans (unless you don't like them just because they are Chinese).

>imputes a motive onto your peers

If my peers don't realize they are are repeating sinophobic talking points, they should be made aware of them. My concern is chiefly that sinophobia is simply a vector that allows American social media giants to get rid of competition without being forced to clean up their own backyards. If your concern is "algorithmic dumb content", then just banning tiktok is the wrong solution. Secondly, the reason why China has different content on TikTok is through government regulation, and we could do the same thing here! It's not a Chinese conspiracy that keeps Americans from regulating corporations.

[causi]

I think Sinophobia is the wrong word. If you're playing for the blue team against the red team you're not red-team-phobic.

[croes]

If you think every red is in team red and everything red does is part of playing a against team blue then you are red-team-phobic.

Try replacing red with black or jewish and look how it sounds.

[causi]

The CCP is not a race. Working against companies under the control or influence of the CCP is no more "Sinophobic" than working against companies under the control or influence of the Nazi government was "Germanophobic".

[croes]

To think everything a company does is from CCP just because there are ties to the CCP is sinophobic.

That chinese users get STEM content is because of the enforcement by the CCP, that US users get stupid content is because of their freedom of choice. People loved stupid stuff on FB and YT way before TikTok.

[NLPlatypus]

You realize the CCP forces companies to accept CCP members into their board and leadership, right? It’s even affecting foreign companies operating in China. It’s not “sinophobia”, it’s just facts.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-07-21/hsbc-form...

[bjourne]

It's jingoistic and sinophobic since the purpose of the "work against" is to strengthen your own team's position. By and large, Chinese human rights activists do not think banning TikTok strengthens human rights in China.

[dismantlethesun]

I think for the most part, people are annoyed about TikTok doing good things in its home country and yet doing 'bad' things in foreign countries.

Yes, it's true the good things it does at home are mandated by the government.

Yes, it's true that in foreign countries those same mandates would be difficult and in some cases (maybe the US?) unconstitutional.

However, that's a logical argument which doesn't speak to the heart of the disagreement: TikTok could do good in foreign nations, but it explicitly chooses not to. It'd be easy for them to copy and paste their policies from China into other countries, but they work very hard to fill the feed with entertainment because it makes more money.

[NLPlatypus]

You’re right. It’s very racist and bad to not support the government enslaving, neutering, force aborting, and imprisoning Muslims, supporting a government currently invading your allies, one that said it wants to make a new world order without you, take taiwan by force if needed, heavily censors content, etc…

It can’t be any of that! No! It must be sinophobia!

> Chinese human rights activists do not think banning TikTok strengthens human rights in China.

Source?

[chrischen]

He did address the facts of the discussion... The fact is jumping to some ridiculous conclusion that there must be some conspiracy to feed dumb content to Americans is Sinophobic because there is no evidence to suggest such a ridiculous thing, when the obvious answer, as pointed out by grandparent, is much more reasonable of an explanation.