[wishfish]

If you want to call Sam a liar, be my guest. But it's his claim. Plus the $24 million from Ryan is documented.

If Sam isn't lying, then that's 40 million + 24 million = 64 million to Republicans. Which is more than the roughly 40 million to Democrats.

All of this is from public information and Sam's claims. Where's the conspiracy theory, my dude?

[chrisco255]

Sam is a liar, that much is a widely documented fact. That much is known. Your numbers are incomplete and misleading.

We somehow know both SBF and Ryan Salame's personal donations, and he claims dark money went to Republicans but how much dark money went to Democrats? 0? What about the other staffers at FTX? SBF has appeared in public with Maxine Waters and Bill Clinton. His own mother is a major Silicon Valley booster for the Democrats [1]. You telling me no money made it to his own mother's Democrat PAC?

Sam's public claims are not reliable. He is a pathological liar. He manipulated his own accounting books to make his company appear solvent for fundraising purposes. You cannot trust the damage control PR of a pathological liar.

[1] https://www.influencewatch.org/political-party/mind-the-gap/

[wishfish]

These are the numbers we know. I can't assess the numbers we don't know. That's why I was careful to use the words "possible" and "not sure if this is true". I wasn't trying to be misleading. I fully understood there might be donations we don't know about. But I guess that was for naught since you're calling me a liar anyways.

I would tend to believe him on the Republican dark money. Sam needs all the help he can get right now. It makes sense to make these donations public knowledge. Plus, in the legalized bribery known as campaign donations, it makes sense to donate to both sides. Most companies which do political donations make donations to both. A few very ideological execs will only donate to this side or that, but Sam doesn't strike me as one of those.

Maybe I'm wrong. But I doubt it. The winning move is to donate to both sides. If the Republicans received zero from Sam, they'd have every reason to reveal this to the world. To hurt Democrats and punish the guy who gave them nothing. But the Republicans aren't doing this. Silence to me is evidence that Sam gave at least part of what he claimed.

As for the numbers we don't know, I'm not making any claims. Maybe a billion went to Democratic PACs. Maybe nothing did. Who knows? It's worthless making assessments on this until further evidence comes out.

[MrPatan]

> If you want to call Sam a liar

Yes

[angrycontrarian]

We're talking about a major political donor who just defrauded people for billions of dollars, whose parents are extremely well connected to the DNC and have actually written a substantial amount of legislation put forward by Democratic lawmakers, and who was sleeping with the niece of the current head of the SEC who was appointed by Biden. He has every single motivation to lie about this.

[freejazz]

Oh my god dude, his parents are tax professors, you are being so incredibly disingenuous with your posts and then to hem and haw about conspiracy theories in response.

[angrycontrarian]

His mom literally runs a major fundraising arm of the DNC.

[freejazz]

So? You make them sound like they write all legislation proposed by Democrats... but they are just tax professors...

[Animatronio]

Now that's a conspiracy theory worthy of a movie with, say, Aaron Taylor Johnson as SBF and Margot Robbie as his gf (I think she should be pretty in the movie!)