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by jojobas 1293 days ago
So they are claiming 800 mA-h per gram, which at 2.5V Li-S voltage gives about 7.2 megajoules per kilo, 1.5 the energy density of TNT. Somehow I don't want to be anywhere near a battery with that kind of energy density.
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A quick search on Google: petrol megajoules

Petrol/gasoline 44-46 MJ/kg Diesel fuel 42-46 MJ/kg Crude oil 42-47 MJ/kg

You're already near far denser volatile chemicals, even if it isn't you driving someone else is somewhere.

Gas/diesel/whatever have energy density of zero. If somebody were to make petrol/oxygen stoichiometric soda, damn right I wouldn't want to be near it either.
The key difference is the hydrocarbon "battery" has a volumetric energy density of around 12kJ/L if you include both halves where the sulfur one is still around 7MJ/L
How are you calculating the volumetric energy density and the energy content of a liter of gasoline? 12kJ/L seems low.
In the context of comparing it to TnT or a Sulfur battery you need the oxygen too.
Perhaps I am misunderstanding, but that sounds almost like a calculation that applies to a vacuum, not a pressurized atmosphere with plenty of "free" oxygen? Perhaps that's the same for the TNT & battery, so maybe none of these calculations are directly applicable to real-world scenarios?
The point is the kg of hydrocarbon is less able to release its 40MJ all at once because the oxygen which is spread out over 4000 times as much volume needs to get to it. The battery contains both ends of the reaction, but the hydrocarbon only contains one.

TnT or nitroglycerin is much more dangerous in spite of much lower energy density because the energy is all in the TnT.

Of course this isn't the only consideration (the fact that TnT releases nitrogen which suddenly wants to be much bigger is important, for example), but it is a reason to hesitate around such a battery and carefully consider whether you want to throw it around at 100km/h.

And it's far more common for ICE cars to actually explode/burn out. And particularly petrol fires can be very dangerous and lethal. Cars can combust while parked, while driving, or when you get in an accident. It's one of the most common causes for fire brigades to have to take some action. Diesel is a bit safer than petrol but it will burn if things get hot enough. And cars and trucks overheat and catch fire for all sorts of reasons.

EVs are much safer both in absolute numbers and relative numbers (if you consider there are far less EVs than ice vehicles). They do occasionally burn of course. And usually those fires aren't very explosive and give you plenty of time to get out of the vehicle and to safety. Fatalities/injuries are rare with this.

Petrol cars do not explode with any frequency.
Gasoline has 40 megajoules per kilo.
TNT is much more about power than energy. Releasing a megajoule in a tiny fraction of a second is far more destructive than burning a quart of gasoline in a bucket.
Power output of petrol in a bucket is limited by air supply. Batteries have all components for runaway energy release right there.
Interesting. This lead me to this energy density table: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_density_Extended_Refere...