[boc]

> The US has more expensive workers who are overall worse at the job and don't have the expertise to be compete with the people in Taiwan.

Putting the rest of your statement aside, this is a very silly thing to say. The United States invented the IC and started silicon age. Integrated circuits made in Silicon Valley were literally on the moon at the same time that Taiwan was still an incredibly poor country living under martial law.

Maybe today there aren't the exact people in the US to compete with Taiwan on this chipmaking process, but that doesn't mean the US lacks the ability to compete. It's not about general country-wide work ethic. If the right person to get the job done is a one-in-a-million person... well the US has 330 of them vs 23 in Taiwan.

[philwelch]

Countries change over time. If the US has the ability to compete with Taiwan in semiconductor manufacturing, we sure haven’t shown it in recent decades.

[deltaseventhree]

Things change. As of right now the US can't compete.

In the past the US could compete, but that doesn't speak to the status quo.

In the future the US may change but this is unknown. It may very well be the US will never recover. This is a realistic possibility.

Either way the status quo is that the US is currently inferior to Asia in terms of semiconductors.

[coredog64]

IBM and Intel are competitive with TSMC and Samsung when it comes to ability to cram transistors onto wafers. This idea that only Taiwan/TSMC knows how to fab is light years from reality.

[deltaseventhree]

Well that wasn't my idea? You simply assumed that was my idea without me saying it.

The idea that tsmc and Samsung can fab better then the US is unequivocally true.

[KerrAvon]

Well, that is certainly the Chinese government's take on things.

Your posts suggest that the US should just give up and let Asia -- more specifically China -- dominate semiconductors forever because US workers are lazy, fat, and stupid. Am I characterizing your position correctly?

[deltaseventhree]

No. My posts suggest none of that.

I am simply stating the truth. It is from the perspective of a tsmc shareholder not a patriotic American who wants to beat china for no other reason then being the best.

As a tsmc shareholder one part of your post is correct. US workers are unfortunately lazier and slower and more expensive. Not necessarily stupider. You characterized this part of my position partially correctly.

As for what the US should or should not do, I never commented on that. Your patriotism and defensiveness specifically injected rivalry into your response. I literally have no opinion on what Taiwan or China or the US should do. I am neutral on that front.

[ferrumfist]

> US workers are unfortunately lazier and slower and more expensive

I guess we just kinda stumbled into being one of the wealthiest and most developed countries in the world while having the lazier/slowest/most expensive workforce.

[bigbillheck]

I guess it was technically the workforce that did those coups and invasions whenever it seemed that the resource pipes might be turned off.

[gorjusborg]

> US workers are unfortunately lazier and slower and more expensive

Wow. At least you aren't hiding your nationalistic bias.

[gorjusborg]

That may or may not be true, but making them is a prerequisite for improving.

Asian labor may be cheaper and better, but relying on resources with precarious ties to authoritarian regimes has its own cost.

Sometimes 'best' encompasses more than just bottom-line and functional metrics.