[kelnos]

> everyone should be ashamed for using Intel hardware when AMD chips do not abuse the user

AMD has their own analog to Intel's Management Engine. Maybe they don't have SGX or something like it, but AMD is no saint either.

In theory, SGX can be used for good: see Signal's use to avoid seeing users' contact lists. Granted, their scheme is pretty broken given how broken SGX is (and probably for other reasons), but I think the idea behind it is good. Of course, we can't force companies not to use technology in anti-user ways, and I assume Intel built SGX with the PowerDVD-type use cases in mind.

"Ashamed" is a weird word, not sure why I'd be "ashamed" for choosing an Intel-based laptop that meets my needs, when nothing with an AMD CPU did. Maybe the Framework folks will eventually build an AMD-based mainboard, and if they do, I'll consider it, but for now I have what I have, and I don't particularly feel... anything... about it, let alone shame.

[ccrush]

You say we can't force companies to not use tech in anti user ways, but then you'll give them your money becuase you can't find a laptop with an AMD chip. And I assume you just haven't shopped for a laptop long enough or you'd find one that matches your needs without Intel taking a dump on your chest while pretending to care about anything more than your money.

[kelnos]

You seem to be... weirdly emotional about this issue, so I doubt we're going to see eye-to-eye here.

Ultimately we have limited choices in the market, and we have to make compromises. I'm fine running an Intel chip (which doesn't even have SGX, as they don't ship SGX in non-server SKUs anymore), and don't run anything that uses SGX... not sure there's anything written for desktop Linux that I'd use that even tries to use it anyway.

In another post downthread you acknowledge that AMD has their own trusted execution engine (which they don't ship... but neither does Intel, at least in consumer hardware), so for some reason you seem to love AMD and hate Intel when they essentially do the same things.

You also list a bunch of bad stuff Intel has done -- and yes, agreed, they were bad -- but I'm sure AMD has done just as much similar bad stuff. And if not, I'm sure it's not because they're saints, but because they hadn't had the clout of a dominant-enough market position (like Intel has had) that would allow them to get away with things like that. I have no doubt they would have done similar things if they found themselves in similar circumstances. ::shrug::

Either way, this whole "Intel vs. AMD" thing is not really a hill I care do die on... much more important stuff going on in my life.

[throw_a_grenade]

AMD has SEV: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen_(first_generation)#Enhance...

It works on slightly different layer (virtualisation, not process), but the threat model and capabilities are pretty much the same.