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by hacoo 1297 days ago
I'm not writing this as an argument for or against lethal-force robots, but I think there is some important context here. When people hear 'police robot' they tend to imagine ED-209 type robots blasting people, but this isn't really the case.

Usually police want these robots for 'barricaded suspect' type situations. We have SWAT to deal with this, but entering an area held by armed suspects is still extremely dangerous. Also, because officers might need to shoot in order to save their own lives, they have to make decisions extremely quickly, which can lead to bad shootings or unnecessary use of lethal force. Since robots can take bigger risks than humans can, there are situations where they may allow officers to resolve a situation nonlethally where they otherwise couldn't

That said, there are serious problems with police robots. The first is their ability to vastly expand police surveillance. Nonlethal robots face much less public scrutiny, but their potential to automate surveillance is terrifying to me. They also present a problematic revenue source for police departments, who might use them to ding people for parking violations, set up speed traps, etc, i.e., enforcement of minor crimes without actually improving public safety.

A final criticism (relevant to lethal robots) is that, while they may improve officer safety, this doesn't always improve public safety. There are times when officers need to prioritize response speed -- Uvalde Tx being the prime example. They can create a 'it's too dangerous -- SOP is to wait for the robot' mentality -- police departments / officers need to have the courage to avoid this.

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I'm pro law and order in general (although not necessarily pro law enforcement, to split hairs), but I want it to be dangerous for law enforcement to take a life. I want it to be something they have to carefully consider. I don't want it to be easy and safe. This is akin to adding more and more padding to football players...they tackle harder and harder and injuries pile up.

The easier and safer we make it for law enforcement to use lethal force, the more lethal force they will use.

>The easier and safer we make it for law enforcement to use lethal force, the more lethal force they will use.

I think the parent post made a compelling counterclaim. The biggest driver of lethal force is to increase office safety.

If someone pulls a gun or looks like they are, the safest solution for the officer is to shoot. Remove the officer risk and there is no reason to use lethal force.

The more officers are at risk, the more they will use lethal force.

> Remove the officer risk and there is no reason to use lethal force.

By that argument, there's no reason for the robot to have lethal options

fair point, I should have said "Remove the officer risk and there is less reason to use lethal force.

There are obviously times where lethal force is appropriate even when excluding officer risk. It just constitutes a minority of the uses.

Exactly - using a robot may allow officers to avoid a kill or be killed situation.