[_8j50]

It is not. Session and Matrix alone use the same protocol Signal uses without needing your phone number or google play services.

[chopin]

I run Signal just fine without Google Play Services. I am using e/OS which doesn't have it bundled.

[_8j50]

I disabled it, it complained a lot and images/media wouldn't load.

[bentley]

Install the alternative APK that doesn’t use Play Services. https://signal.org/android/apk/

[_8j50]

I believe I installed that but what I need is probably microg like the sibling comment suggests.

[chopin]

e/OS comes with MicroG as replacement.

[cpach]

You might want to read up on how Matrix works and what the spec says.

(I won’t comment on Session, I’m not familiar with the finer details there.)

[_8j50]

I don't use it these days but please enlighten me or show me the specific section you are talking about. Specifically, I was referring to libolm.

[cpach]

This is a starting point: https://nebuchadnezzar-megolm.github.io/

[_8j50]

Looks like they were addressed: https://matrix.org/blog/category/security

Glad it had nothing to do with libolm itself but how it is used/not-used. I thought they had 3rd party audits for this.