[rurp]

Apple is literally the group implementing the change, it's accurate to say "Apple is cracking down".

You're trying to paint Apple as a helpless victim here, but they didn't get blindsided by CCP tyranny. The company has spent years developing this exact situation and repeatedly choose to do the bidding of the Chinese government.

"Just following orders" is a pitiful excuse, and even worse when the orders are coming from an oppressive foreign government.

[nomel]

> Apple is literally the group implementing the change, it's accurate to say "Apple is cracking down".

I think it would be more accurate to say that the CCP is cracking down, and Apple is one target of that push.

I don't think it's completely accurate to say that Apple can "choose" these things. There's no "choosing" with the CCP, and there's no "choosing" to manufacture outside of China, at this point [1]. This isn't an Apple problem, it's a worldwide supply chain problem, that all tech companies are stuck in [2].

They're choosing to continue business in China. They're choosing to continue to manufacture in China. Like everyone else, they're choosing to leave China, with manufacturing being pushed to India, Taiwan, Vietnam, and S.Korea. But, in the short term, there's exactly one choice, for both, for them and the rest of the tech sector, that keeps the bills paid. This is a systemic problem, not an Apple problem. It's good to see the world is, finally, waking up to this, beginning the transition, and I think the beginnings of the transition should be celebrated.

1. https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/28/tech/apple-china-manufacturin...

2. https://www.forbes.com/sites/timbajarin/2022/08/30/shifting-...

[fomine3]

Google is successfully ignored China's request even though their Pixel uses many Chinese parts and some are made in China, because they don't service in China.

[nomel]

> Google is successfully ignored China's request

Which request? Android's version of AirDrop, "Nearby Share" is disabled in China [1].

> even though their Pixel uses many Chinese parts and some are made in China, because they don't service in China.

Google is an ad company. Only 5 million Pixel 6 sold in the first 6 months [2]. It's just a few percent of their income. Nobody would notice if they decide to stop selling the Pixel line, worldwide.

Apple is a hardware company, with around 50% of their income from iPhones [3]. It's a very different context. Again, they appear to building speed to move out, and like the previous reference shows, that's all any of these established companies can do in the short term: build speed.

1. https://stackoverflow.com/questions/72812112/android-nearby-...

2. https://www.thurrott.com/mobile/android/274544/pixel-smartph...

3. https://fourweekmba.com/apple-revenue-breakdown/

[true_religion]

Apple could move out, but at great cost to themselves. Being a socialist, I think the cost of such a decision should come from the government who should mandate it for all companies so there is a single national standard on ethics.

However some people think that Apple should bear the cost in its own, since it’s the not an existential choice. It’s simply the choice between taking a loss this year then recovering later, or continuing to make the maximal amount of money this year.

[nomel]

> the government who should mandate it for all companies so there is a single national standard on ethics.

I think I agree with this. What could you see that mandate looking like, and what would the "standard" be? Would it be something stronger than the sanctions we have now? As my previous links show, complete isolation is impossible, in the short term, so I imagine this would have to be a slow process.

> It’s simply the choice between taking a loss this year then recovering later, or continuing to make the maximal amount of money this year.

I would suggest reading the references I provided. This definitely isn't a "loss this year" thing. It's losses for decades. It not only requires rebuilding direct vendors, but vendors that supply to them, and to them, and so on.

[s3p]

What is the alternative? Apple exits the country and we use.. android? Is that a better, more privacy-respecting, government-order-rejecting alternative?

Edit: The alternative is Apple doesn't comply w/ government orders and leaves the country. That is the alternative.