[guntherhermann]

I think I see where you are coming from, but I don't think that's the argument being made.

Forcing everyone to use a decentralised system where anything goes "wild west" style is probably a terrible idea.

I don't think that is what is being argued.

What is being argued is the right to use a decentralised system over a centralised walled-garden, if you so wish.

I'd rather my mum used a walled garden where the apps are (probably) safer and much less scammy.

[carewell]

I might sound too antagonistic on this topic, that's not my intention.

F-droid is a great app repository, no problem with them whatsoever. I am highlighting the fact that a purist argument for a technological change that does not extensively invest into understanding the negative impacts on consumers is bogus. How many iPhone users really need an alternative store? Versus how many iPhone users want to have safeties around installing apps critical to their well-being?

To your point: maybe a hard to enable setting for allowing sideloading would satisfy both the safety and the flexibility concerns. But at the end of the day, if I ever need a hackable device I will just get an Android or jailbrake my iPhone. I explicitly separate my own needs from what I perceive as a very dangerous change for 99.99% of iPhone users.

[eighthave]

I agree with basically all the points in this thread, one thing that is missing is that most of these points are not mutually exclusive. A decentralized system like F-Droid does not close out the possibility of walled gardens, it just gives users choice of whether they want to remain in it. For example, you can buy a CalyxOS device now and only enable F-Droid as the app source. That is a walled garden of the safest kind: all free software reviewed by bots and humans before inclusion. Users then can opt into other sources.

We have recently implemented some rudimentary controls where you can use Device Admin mode to lock F-Droid to a given set of repositories. That strictly enforces the walled garden, but doesn't require a single monopolist have all the power.