[coldtea]

>You assume correct. Obviously this stuff can't be written down in the description but it is still the employers responsibility to IMPLY that this debauchery is expected as part of team bonding.

If one is so open about it, like about firing employees for not drinking like the boss likes, can they post the details of the company you work at or run?

Should be no big deal, right? It's an acceptable social thing, and not sociopathic madness, so should bring no ill consequences if it's made public...

[deltasevenseven]

Yeah I work for google.

Let me reword my sentence a bit because I left some things implied but a lot of people didn't pick up on it. It should be an expectation put FORTH in the JOB DESCRIPTION before the employee is hired.

It is a reasonable expectation, PROVIDED the employee knew about the expectation BEFORE he is hired.

If he didn't know about it, and the expectation was sprung on him, then it is UNFAIR.

[coldtea]

It's acceptable or reasonable, whether it's "pur forth in the job description" or not, any more than "candidate must be able to tolerate light racism", or "must be OK with managers groping them" would be.

[deltaseventhree]

You are conflating it with sexual harassment and racism. That is OFF TOPIC.

It is very reasonable to put forth in the requirement:

    We are looking for a candidate who can get along with the team. The team likes to party and drink and they all tend to be very young. They do a lot of extracurricular activities together after work. Please only apply if you feel you can fit in well. 

Are you telling me it's fair to pretend you're all of the above qualities and take the job? Then when the manager tries to fire you for misrepresenting yourself you use the law to protect yourself and make the entire team miserable by staying on the team even though you stick out like a sore thumb?

No, it's not. The above job description is honest and fair game. Let's not take this into other tangents that have to do with racism or sexual harassment. Be reasonable.

[coldtea]

>Are you telling me it's fair to pretend you're all of the above qualities and take the job?

No, I'm telling you is unfair, unethical, and illegal in many jurisdictions, to ask for the above qualities for an unrelated job (that is, you could ask a wine taster to be alcohol as part of the job. A developer or a show salesman, not so much, and it doesn't matter if it's on the job ad - putting it on the job ad is already icky, and in many jurisdictions illegal).

You can't ethically ask potential employees to "party and drink" for doing a job that's not related to bars and parties, whether it's software engineering or operating a crane.

The whole exchange seems to lack an understanding of the law (e.g. related to age or forcing things like drinking, or even the legality of asking for those things in the ad and/or firing someone who doesn't comply), and even why people would find it offensive and hummiliating. It's all about "but I pay and want a funny partying team", not very far from "but I pay and I want to be able to spit on the face on my employees every morning. If I put it on the job description surely they can't complain!".

Not to mention it's the legal duty to protect employees' health, and alcohol consumption is unhealthy, AND against certain religions AND destructive with certain conditions.

Might as well ask "no muslims", or "no diabetics" in your software engineering job ad.

[greenyoda]

> they all tend to be very young

In the US, that would be inviting an age discrimination lawsuit. It's admitting that the company preferentially hires young people (which is illegal), and implying that older people wouldn't "fit in" and would thus be discriminated against.