[Shoue]

That's an odd critique considering coops exist to solve the friction between unions and businesses by building the democratic control into the business itself, avoiding the need for a union.

Especially when you consider all the union busting tactics used by leadership at traditional businesses – how are you even supposed to form a union when they won't let you? Coops come at that from a different angle: you get democratic control, straight up. Don't like your leadership if you choose to structure the business that way? You can actually vote them out of their role.

[pmoriarty]

"Especially when you consider all the union busting tactics used by leadership at traditional businesses – how are you even supposed to form a union when they won't let you?"

Even when you manage to form a union, companies have ways of screwing you over.

Case in point was the recent successful unionization of a Starbucks location in Seattle you might have heard about on the news. Starbucks' reaction? They just closed that location.[1]

[1] - https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/22/business/starbucks-closure-un...

[sokoloff]

https://www.nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/what-we-do/conduct-elections

If you have broad support from the employee base, “they” can’t block a union certification election. If you’re having trouble forming a union, you’re probably struggling at the “get employees to want your union” step in the process.

[sofixa]

You should let Amazon, Starbucks, Walmart and similar know this. Their union busting tactics are widely documented (including shutting down locations starting to form a union).

[sokoloff]

They do know this. Many of their tactics are specifically directed at “make the employees not want the union”. Some of those tactics are under-handed, even despicable, but it’s safe to say that they know this and act in accordance.

[sofixa]

Firing everyone in a store in the process of unionizing isn't "make employees not want the union", it's retaliating against those that do and instilling fear in the rest.

[sokoloff]

You might not like the methods (and in some cases, they are not legal), but I think that’s exactly what it does. Fear makes (some) people not want the union.

Firing pro-union employees also obviously directly reduces the number of employees who are pro-union.

[joxel]

So I’m guessing your head has been in the sand for the last decade while Starbucks and Amazon shut down places that attempt to unionize?

[bluesign]

Normally with union done right, you would have voice in management. Problem is all you see is non-working unions ( union busting etc also from sibling comments)

Thats why I commented union done good from the beginning.