[kuramitropolis]

>The end product isn't what you walk away with; it's the time you spend enjoying doing something.

Well, good luck enjoying anything when you're surrounded by environmental feedback that points to its futility.

Picking up hobbies so that you have a socially acceptable excuse to interact with to people is ass-backwards.

[zamfi]

> Well, good luck enjoying anything when you're surrounded by environmental feedback that points to its futility.

You're only surrounded by this feedback if you already buy in to the ideology that if you're not The Best™ at something then it's not worth doing.

This is a very toxic perspective.

The millions of people who learn to program/woodwork/paint/cook/etc. by watching YouTube videos certainly don't buy into this ideology, and have no problem enjoying it. I think the issue less "environment feedback that points to futility" and more your own perspective here.

People have hobbies for many reasons, "socially acceptable excuse to interact with people" is just one of them, as is "demonstrate exceptional mastery".

[watwut]

> Picking up hobbies so that you have a socially acceptable excuse to interact with to people is ass-backwards.

It is and WAS most normal thing in the world. Some people did it subconsciously, them being interested I people lead them to be interested in the same things as those people are interested in. Others did it consciously "everyone seems to gather at pool, let's go to pool". Or just, "I am going to bake a cake to have excuse to give it to people and to get compliments".

Doing things and hobbies to be with others, to impress them was normal human behavior for millenia.