[stavros]

But if you follow this reasoning farther, what about the women who, for whatever reason (brainwashing etc) do actually want their faces covered? Is it for us to say "no, you actually don't, you've been brainwashed and I know better than you what you want".

I'd rather say "forcing people to do things they want to do is bad", and let individuals decide whether they want to cover their face or not.

[recuter]

What about them? I guess the answer depends on whether those are closer to 1%, 50% or 99% of the women.

If you ask the French: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_ban_on_face_covering

> let individuals decide whether they want to cover their face or not.

Sure. Of course, not possible in an absolutist monarchy such as SA and pretending otherwise in an effort to be none-judgmental is (unwittingly, accidentally, what have you) carrying water for them. Which, I don't think is your intention.

It is worth contemplating that playing on this very ambiguity and passive tendencies - in other circumstance perhaps to be commended as sage like reservation - is what keeps places like Russia, SA, NK, Iran coasting.