[tn890]

> but as a Muslim, this is the best place to live. Muslims want the Sharia law and all the other Islamic stuffs including hijab, prayers and what not.

Very insightful, surprised to hear people like it there, I'm glad.

I think the problem with Sharia law and such is when people come from say Saudi Arabia or similar middle eastern countries and expect to bring their backwards ass laws with them to EU countries.

[dang]

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[wwtrv]

I bet white straight males who owned property loved living in antebellum south...

[thro_213r692s]

To be fair, thats what their religion preaches.

[akg_67]

Problem is same with western countries (EU/US). People emigrate from western countries to Asia and bring their backward ass laws with them to Asia and want Asian countries to conform to them.

TLDR: Bigotry is a two way street. Either appreciate the differences or STFU. You don’t have monopoly on deciding whose laws are backward.

[sofixa]

That's a pretty stupid false equivalency. I can be annoyed by Singapore's laws against chewing gums, but that isn't in any way comparable to inhumane treatment of segments of the population for who they are (women, gay, etc.) or where they come from (Indian/Pakistani/etc. near slaves) in some places.

Treating people as shit, or executing them is objectively bad. Merely for their sexual identity/preferences is objectively even worse. You don't have to be from a specific place to be able to appreciate that.

[stareatgoats]

> objectively bad

I agree that treating people like shit or executing them is bad and most people would agree with you, but it is not objectively bad, since "bad" in the way you use it here is a subjective value judgement, by definition the polar opposite of objective. Just saying.

[paulryanrogers]

Technically maybe. Though I think it's a much stronger case for objectivity when one is murdering, imprisoning, and enslaving fellow humans to please imaginary friends or destructive traditions.

[stareatgoats]

I think you will find that most dictionaries defines objectivity and subjectivity as binary opposites, and that there can be no such thing as a subjective opinion that can morph into objectivity, even if the phenomena are ghastly.

But I'm sure you find people who agree with you, all those who want to have their opinions elevated to objective truth, much like churches of old that claimed to have God on their side. To me such a stance is usually indications of prejudice and naïve realism [0], and perhaps worse; relieves one of the hard work of trying to see the other side, preventing one from building a solid case for ones own (subjective, but morally better) stance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Na%C3%AFve_realism_(psychology...

[paulryanrogers]

My point is not that objectivity is a spectrum. Rather that some cultural norms or traditions can be evaluated from a strictly utilitarian view, arguably approaching objectivity. For example killing or exploiting humans because they have a different skin color or refuse to wear certain clothing.

Should we dismiss all cultural critique because on some level everything is subjective, even experience and knowledge itself?

For all it's flaws and misuse, the scientific method provides the closest thing to an objective approach. Should it be discarded as well?

Now perhaps there are parts of Sharia law worth preserving. Can you steel-man that for me? Because my experience with theocracy based law has not been positive. What I've read of Sharia doesn't strike me as a good legal system.

[HDThoreaun]

There is nothing objective about right and wrong.