[ksidudwbw]

Even if US/CIA did push a coup in Ukraine, Russia should have foreseen it and counter acted it. Intelligence operations is a thing and you can't start genociding just because you sucked at basic intelligence work in neighbouring countries.

[yucky]

   > Even if US/CIA did push a coup in Ukraine, Russia should have foreseen it and counter acted it.

They did, which is how they ended up taking Crimea.

[themitigating]

Is there evidence of this coup?

[SideburnsOfDoom]

FYI, the account that you are replying to has a very long track record of pushing this talking point (and other crank opinions), so do not think that you are engaging in a good faith discussion with someone who can be convinced (1) - if they could be, it would have happened long ago. They're here to push that opinion into the public sphere. That account was even banned from posting for a while (2), thankfully. Why it was allowed back, I do not know.

1)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33679821

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32314627

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32990026

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32314574

2)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32323579

[klqwant]

The word coup, which user "yucky" hasn't introduced in this conversation, is used informally and not in a literal sense. It does not mean that the U.S. installed a military junta.

It means that U.S. officials interfered in the Maidan revolution and picked favorites. How much influence they had is questionable, but they were there.

If you think that is a crank opinion, the BBC is a crank outlet.

[SideburnsOfDoom]

> The word coup, which user "yucky" hasn't introduced in this conversation

That account has in fact introduced the word "coup" with reference to Ukraine, many times over in conversations. And you're right, it does carry with it the ugly, false and deceptive connotations of "installed a military junta against the wishes of the people".

Not to imply that they always "introduce" it. In fact, if you say it, they probably pop up like Beetlejuice for the opportunity to launch into the shpiel again. You are again correct that this conversation appears to be one of those times.

[yucky]

Assuming that you're asking this in good faith and would like to read more from reliable sources, here are a handful of them from across the political spectrum:

"Ukraine crisis: Transcript of leaked Nuland-Pyatt call" - https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957

"The CIA And FBI Are Reportedly Advising Ukraine As Pro-Russia Separatists Spread Across The Country" - https://www.businessinsider.com/cia-and-fbi-reportedly-advis...

"Pierre Omidyar co-funded Ukraine revolution groups with US government, documents show" - https://pandodaily.com/2014/02/28/pierre-omidyar-co-funded-u...

Our use of CIA/State Dept Tech Camp to help foment revolution, video posted by US embassy - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpIoBUDuL3U (also see this for background on how we use the program elsewhere: https://www.fastcompany.com/1744389/hillary-clintons-senior-...

"Washington Was Behind Ukraine Coup: Obama admits that US “Brokered a Deal” in Support of “Regime Change”" - https://www.globalresearch.ca/washington-was-behind-ukraine-...

"How and why the U.S. Government Perpetrated the 2014 Coup in Ukraine" - https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2018/06/04/how-and-why-the-u-s-go...

"In the rapidly worsening Ukraine fiasco, the U.S. is reaping exactly what it sowed" - https://www.salon.com/2022/02/02/in-the-rapidly-worsening-uk...

"A US-Backed, Far Right–Led Revolution in Ukraine Helped Bring Us to the Brink of War" - https://jacobin.com/2022/02/maidan-protests-neo-nazis-russia...

"The 2014 coup in Ukraine" - https://www.wsws.org/en/topics/event/2014-coup-ukraine

"The United States Is Reaping What It Sowed in Ukraine" - https://progressive.org/latest/us-reaping-sowed-in-ukraine-b...

"Why the Ukraine Crisis Is the West’s Fault" - https://www.mearsheimer.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Why-t...

[SideburnsOfDoom]

5 days ago, same repetitive junk pushing the same deceptive political take: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33681030

[yucky]

Rather than stalking my comments which is against the rules of this site, you could instead just reply to the content of the sources I provided. They are legitimate and credible. If you dispute any of the actual content, please cite and provide sources and reasons.

[SideburnsOfDoom]

There is no point in giving good faith rebuttals in reply to rhetoric that wasn't good faith and seeking understanding in the first place. A different user summed that up earlier, I think in three words.

[themitigating]

I started on another thread here