[eloff]

I see it the same way. Semi nomadic bands of a couple hundred people without permanent structures is "not much in the way of civilization".

[tyler-groves]

This is the fundamental difference in our views. I believe that the permanence of cultural output is arbitrary to the value of the culture, especially to those who participate in that culture.

[eloff]

Culture != Civilization. Culture is a term used to denote the manifestation of the manner in which we think, behave and act. Civilization refers to the process through which a region or society, outstretches an advanced stage of human development and organization.

I think we've been having disjoint discussions.