[Yizahi]

Since the only possible real use case of tokens is law avoidance, then it is logical that we collectively as humanity are worse off while select tokenbros are legalising stolen money or skipping paying taxes/fees and profiting from this scheme. It's a tragedy of commons case.

[wruza]

Law avoidance is only bad when the law is good. For some it’s money stolen, for some it’s money intact.

[Yizahi]

Sure. The thing is, tokens provide a solution for ANY law avoidance and can be used by ANY person. That's the problem. As soon as the very short period of nerds inventing and using the system passes, then big sharks come. All the billionares washing their stolen and almost stolen money are very fond of tokens, some are actually making money in that space, people like Alex, Sam, Giancarlo, Paolo, Zhao etc.

[taolegal]

Since fiat is mostly just used to enable war, and most all war, especially in modern history, is senseless slaughter: we should do everything we can to subvert fiat.

[Yizahi]

First - I think you are wrong about "war" part. I'm reasonably sure that global military industrial complex mostly uses digital money transfers. I think what you were talking about was a small scale rebel or terrorist armed operations, but those are rounding errors in the scale of proper war industry.

Second - you are quite right that cash is used for that and without it such activities will greatly diminish. Though I suspect that they will switch to barter economy.

Third - that will happen soon. Some governments are already restricting cash, though mostly the ones that are doing so are fighting not against wars or cartels, but against their local oligarchs funneling money from the country (the same problem I described in other comments). Many countries have already restricted moving cash across the border, so there it's not used for this a lot.

[taolegal]

> I'm reasonably sure that global military industrial complex mostly uses digital money transfers.

It seems like your concept of fiat might be wrong. Fiat isn't synonymous with physical tender. Fiat is just sovereign money in whatever form it takes, digital or otherwise.

Governments enforce fiat as money because it allows them to finance whatever war and other endeavor they want with an endless supply of money that they conjure out of thin air. Whereas taxes are at least paid by people, fiat is a way to steal money from ordinary people by debasing their money.