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by untog 5289 days ago
And it goes back, and forth, and back, and forth, and

In other news, "Samsung adds four more complaints to its German patent offensive against Apple":

http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/19/2646835/samsung-apple-ger...

I would love for someone at one of these companies to explain how on earth this benefits the consumer.

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Why would it need to benefit the consumer? None of these companies operate to directly benefit the consumer.

Note: I agree with your sentiment

My knee-jerk, emotional, response is to agree with you because from my perspective: they aren't working to win consumers by building the best product, they either buy-out the technology they want or stomp competing technology with patents. The biggest players cost each other billions hoping to cripple each others ability to compete, or eradicate the competing product altogether.

Yes, we get a phone out of it, but that phone is so we can buy apps, pay providers for service (fine, except we pay out the nose for things that aren't even really necessary like text message plans on smart phones that don't need them), they sell us the device, or the apps, and then track us, monitor us, and sell that information so that they can better target and sell us more stuff.

We're not just the consumer, our habits are a product.

But that's my knee jerk doom and gloom response, something I keep in the back of my mind when I work on more rational reactions.

You are confusing Google with Apple.

Apple doesn't make money on its App Store. It has a great app store to sell devices.

In contrast, Google gives away adware products to earn more money (by tracking and spying on Android users).

The iTunes App Store doesn't work on anything else other than iOS. It's a complementary product that keeps people buying iDevices. It also keeps people buying from iTunes in general and Apple does make money from selling content.

     Google gives away adware products to 
     earn more money (by tracking and spying on 
     Android users).
Oh please, like Apple isn't doing it. They've got the biggest, most important online content store. They've got customers by their balls in a way that Microsoft only dreams of.
So, WebOS programs is suppose to work on Windows Phone Nintendo games are suppose to work on Sony Playstation? Using your own words, Android "got customers by their balls in a way that Microsoft only dreams of" because Android Market doesn't work on a Dell.
No, my point is that web apps are working everywhere - Android, iOS, WebOS, Windows, OS X, Samsung Bada, Symbian. The experience suffers, but they do work everywhere and it's a huge market outside of iTunes that's waiting to be taken advantage of.

     Using your own words, Android "got customers by 
     their balls in a way that Microsoft only dreams of"
     because Android Market doesn't work on a Dell.
Those weren't my words. However Google doesn't have the same lock-in with Android simply because Android customers can install software from third-party sources. And Microsoft would have never been capable of banning apps (like Firefox) from their platform because it duplicates existing functionality. Apple may have relaxed the rules of administer lately, but it's still a closed garden that even Microsoft wasn't able to pull off.
The pro-IP argument from Apple's point of view goes something like this:

In a world where everyone just copies everyone else freely (e.g. the desktop PC world) there is/would be much less innovation.

The investments that go into many breakthrough products (iphone, ipad) are made with the understanding that IP protections are in place to prevent copycats from waltzing in and taking all the benefits later on.

Take away those protections and the initial investments aren't made in many cases and the customer sees far fewer breakthrough products.

>The investments that go into many breakthrough products (iphone, ipad) are made with the understanding that IP protections are in place to prevent copycats from waltzing in and taking all the benefits later on.

But what was the breakthrough? The iPhone and iPad are successful because of design, attention to detail, and Apple's marketing muscle. There isn't anything technically earth shattering about either product - they're just minor improvements on other companies' products brought to a high polish.

The iPhone and iPad are successful because of design, attention to detail, and Apple's marketing muscle.

True; however, I would argue that the marketing portion of their success comes as a result of painting each new product as a picture of revolutionary innovation. It's part of the image. Take that rouse away and you might be left with a less successful product.

Simply put, Apple relies on the lie.

Well, ok, sure. But I don't see any reason the maintenance of that lie should be helped along by the patent office.
> In a world where everyone just copies everyone else freely (e.g. the desktop PC world) there is/would be much less innovation.

For a counterpoint, see e.g. Johanna Blakley's excellent TED talk on how the copyright-free fashion industry thrives despite rampant legal counterfeiting:

http://www.ted.com/talks/johanna_blakley_lessons_from_fashio...

When did a fashion house spend billions of dollars on R&D, a requirement for most significant tech products?

Please read "Are software patents evil?" http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2011/08/09/are-software-patent...

I guess they don't believe in competing on quality, or time to market, or price, or novelty, or any of the traditional methods of standing out in a free market.