[talkingtab]

Leaving behind the discussion of whether this is a problem, it is a problem for me. I paid Apple for a device. I don't want Apple to use devices to track me or target me with ads or anything else. That is my personal take.

But what can you do assuming that you want or need a phone? Android is no better. Class action lawsuits enrich law firms and get users a gift card for $0.20 (sarcasm).

I just wonder what would happen if everyone who doesn't want this decides to take Apple to small claims court? These companies, Google, Apple, Microsoft, Facebook continue to violate fundamental rights to privacy because they have no reason to stop. There are no significant penalties.

Or perhaps we need a bill of rights. Anyone know of such a thing?

[raxxorraxor]

I think in case of any smartphone OS, you are sadly not really the owner of the device and in contrast the manufacturer has wide reaching permissions for everything. That is partially true for desktop OS as well, but at least here you can override everything to your liking. Those that argued for these mechanism in the interest of security do not get any sympathy from me.

Complaining after that fact seems pointless. If you had administrative rights, you wouldn't have as many issues with being tracked. Being able to freely modify the software running the device and accessing its hardware in the same manner would paint a different landscape.

[gunapologist99]

> But what can you do assuming that you want or need a phone? Android is no better.

GrapheneOS, Calyx, and LineageOS would like a word..

[rthomas6]

I use GrapheneOS and it works reasonably well for limiting the amount of data I send to Google. I still use the play store, but you don't have to, you can go 100% open source and Google-free. And Play Services is optional and sandboxed so it doesn't get any privileges beyond what a normal app gets, so you can block tracking and it spying on other apps' usage.

[lern_too_spel]

> Android is no better.

You don't have to use an app store that violates your privacy on Android. You don't have to send your location to Google every time you get your GPS location, unlike how iOS sends all your GPS lookups to Apple. Android is far better. The key difference is user control.

[giancarlostoro]

Anyone reading this article from Illinois is about to have a fun time with Apple, their privacy laws are reasonably strict. Of course, I'm not a layer, so maybe they found the one legal "loophole" or lawful way to do it.