[hotpotamus]

I listened to it at the time because although I'm not a regular listener to the Bloomberg Oddlots podcast, I've actually been subscribed for years and pick out the occasional episode and saw that Levine was on it. I had zero idea who Bankman-Fried was at the time, and was very amused by the whole thing. I assumed he was some sort of fringe ne'er do well who was willing to come on and talk about how scammy the whole ecosystem was, and I didn't actually realize that he was a big deal until some time later and I was shocked at how matter-of-fact he was about the whole thing.

So that is to say, I heard it, but I didn't realize the significance. And Levine is probably the best explainer and journalist in the financial space today.