[hglands]

It was Kremlin propaganda for a day to claim that the missiles that hit Poland were Ukrainian. People got flagged. Now it is the official Biden position.

I'm not sure why we in the West cannot adopt the following stance:

Yes, Russia invaded and committed atrocities. But it does not mean that everything they say is a lie. If you are familiar with Soviet propaganda, it is in fact relatively easy to spot the obvious lies (e.g., dirty bomb).

The Nord Stream sabotage is not at all obvious. The increased use of missiles started after the Crimea bridge attack. So they didn't need a false flag Nord Stream operation as an excuse for that.

[foverzar]

Everything people don't like is Kremlin propaganda these days, even when you cite Radio Free Europe.

[ohiovr]

It was disturbing watching people call for all out anhilation of Russia with nuclear war over those two deaths and then absolutely silence when Biden and Stoltzberg made their remarks. I take it you don't watch TV much either.