[jdthedisciple]

Wrong.

Realistically assuming a 4-8x larger pool of potential male engineers, as well as assuming equal average skill among males and females, hiring 50% women is what's disgustingly sexist.

If 10 woman and 40 men apply and you hire 5 each based only on sex, you are sexually discriminating against the 35 other men some of whom are statistically highly likely to be better candidates than some of the 5 women hired.

Get your identity politics off this forum, it does not belong here.

[shakezula]

It’s not identity politics to call out blatantly sexist statements that question the intelligence and capabilities of women in this field.

The men aren’t being “sexually discriminated” against, they’re being competed against and that threatens you. Grow up.

[bitshiftfaced]

You're not responding to the actual argument.

Can we agree that men and women are equally capable and intelligent? You have 40 male candidates and 10 female candidates. Let's say only the top 20% of all candidates are good enough. That would mean 40/5 =8 male candidates and 10/5=2 female candidates would be suitable hires.

If instead you hired 5 male and 5 female candidates under these conditions, then you would've been discriminating against male candidates in that you hired female candidates that didn't meet your "top 20% of total candidates" criteria.

[ImPostingOnHN]

do we have data showing that men and women who self select into the profession are equally capable?

[bitshiftfaced]

Best I could find was "SAT patterns and engineering and computer science college majors: an intersectional, state-level study"

It looked at Virginian public school graduates. Non-URM (underrepresented minority) men and non-URM women who majored in computer science scored similarly on the math part of their SATs. Women scored 3% better on their verbal.

[jdthedisciple]

Your quote doesn't address the self-selection question.

In fact, taking that paper, it suggests that males are about 30-100% or even more more likely to enroll in an ECS major across the range of math scores.

For example, among those participants with a math score of 700, about 15% of females vs 30% of males end up enrolling in an ECS major.

[jdthedisciple]

Hey I'm all for competition.

Just keep it fair!

[ImPostingOnHN]

> assuming equal average skill among males and females

do you have data to back this assumption, given the effect of self-selection within each group?

[jdthedisciple]

The only data I have is that males tend to be inherently better at abstract thinking and logic, seem to be inherently more interested in systems as opposed to women.

So if anything, any data would suggest that males are more skilled engineers than women, but I'd like to go easy on the critics here and assume males and females on average are hypothetically equal in that regard.

[ImPostingOnHN]

you forget the effect of self-selection into the field, which could easily override whatever attribute you're referencing, that's why we need supporting data before assuming they're the same