[gcr]

as someone who used to have exactly this sort of internalized shame, i think you've hit the nail on the head 100%.

let's look at the statement: "biologically speaking, naked bodies arouse a sexual reaction".

i'm wary of this way of thinking. here's one possible consequence: "anyone who chooses to be naked around me is trying to interact in a sexual way"

when boiled down, the same root of thought leads to dark conclusions, like

- "she was asking for it because she wore revealing clothing"

- "i was sexually aroused and therefore couldn't control myself"

[_8j50]

No no no! You and the parent comment are ansolutley twisting what I am saying and turning it into a personal attack.

I can't believe this, are you saying naked people don't sexually please other people? That's basically all I said.

Internal shame my ass. How about I use the samw logic and claim you have an internal perversion and desire to abuse others against their will, would that be fair? It works by your messed up logic but I know it is an unfair thing to say so I would never say that.

Facts are facts, let's stick to those. Maybe there are a small minority that feel no sexual desire when they see a naked adult person but since majority are not wired that way (even if they were a minority actually) you have to ask permission first. That's it, ask permission.

And people like you love to blame your upbringing or religion so you can make it about that. Stick to facts. You can pick a random atheist from scandanavia, a chinese buddhist, a muslim from pakistan and an african with a local religion (men that is) and show them a naked porn star and most if not all will be sexually aroused. This is hormones.

[alphabettsy]

People are offering their perspective and refuting your claims.

You don’t think hyperbolic statements like “porn is the most addictive thing known to man” weren’t going to be challenged?

Sexuality is a very normal part of human life, even if someone does get aroused in the image example (I don’t always from images even with a very high libido), what is the problem with that?

I’ve been places where nudity is normal such as beaches, saunas and gym locker rooms and most times wasn’t aroused at all.

[_8j50]

Challenged is of course fine but the challenge being accusations and attacks is not fine.

My claim about the addictiveness of porn was an opinion based on what I have leanred and observed. Of course I welcome anyone to show me anything more addictive than your own body and mind.

There is no problem with getting aroused or with sexuality, you and others so far keep twisting what I am saying to be an attempt to police sexuality. Rule #1 of any sexual interaction is consent. If you want to see naked people go ahead. If you want to show your naked self and arouse others, get their consent or at least do it in a way where others can be forewarned and decide to choose or not choose to be part of that experience. Don't take people's choice away so you can feel validated or whatever your reason is.

If you want to go to a nude beach, you are consenting to do that, I am clearly not talking about that. I am talking about getting nude at a normal beach where people who chose to avoid a nude beach go to and force that experience on them, if they get aroused then you just made them part of a sexual encounter without their consent. This is sexually abusive behavior.

Moreover, you people are sociopaths if you don't understand the simple fact that you live in a society and you have to function without harming or harassing others. No significant burden is places upon you other than to get consent from people who you know have a good chance of experiencing sexual arousal with you as the subject before you make them part of that interaction. I mean, I even understand a city where public nudity is allowed so long as visitors to that city are notified when they travel there. I am not even complaining about porn sites that ask your age and let you know the site contains nudity before you see the content.

[DaiPlusPlus]

> Of course I welcome anyone to show me anything more addictive than your own body and mind.

Heroin.

[alphabettsy]

> Moreover, you people are sociopaths if you don't understand the simple fact that you live in a society and you have to function without harming or harassing others.

I made no personal attacks against you. I will say you’re probably not coming across in your comments here the way you believe you are.