[vineyardmike]

> There's no way around this. If you try to "keep them around", then you have to say that these are reasonable ideas.

This works both ways. Queer and other minority groups identity weren’t always accepted as reasonable ideas so they made their own spaces until they were allowed back in.

[kgwxd]

It doesn’t work both ways, the same people being ostracized now are the ones that didn’t/don’t except queer and other minority groups. The ones that want people in prison or dead for having attributes beyond their control. Not wanting people like that around has always been considered a reasonable idea by reasonable people.

[vineyardmike]

Yea that’s true.

My point was that the “group X needs to be accepted or they’ll make their own space” is a universal behavior.

If we make it hard for outsiders to make their own space, it will impact queer and similarly marginalized groups. Queer people still need their own space today because they’re still not always accepted. While we should accept reasonable people and allow them into our space, we do need a society that allows people to make their own space.