[icebraining]

People need to adjust to idea that services need to be paid for. Plain and simple, if they aren't paid for, in full, they stop being provided.

I agree, but that doesn't justify copyright or any other draconian law. We should do away with them and people will need to decide if they want to pay and ensure their survival or not.

immoral

Oh, I love this. You can't even comprehend the notion that people may actually not find copyright infringement to be immoral, can you? Tip: many don't.

[donnyg107]

I meant stealing from an artist due to sheer I-don't-give-a-fuck-erry. And you have no right to decide for an artist that they simply need to provide their hard work to the "pay if I feel like it" system. Is that your right? Do you think that artists will continue to produce when you rid them of their right to sell their product in the way they choose?

[icebraining]

You should separate "legal" and "moral" right. They're not the same.

Example: Morally (in my moral code, obviously), I don't have the right to e.g. throw racial insults at people, legally, I do (Free Speech and all).

So I believe legally, one should have the right to download anything without censorship like copyright. Whether it's moral is not relevant.

Do you think that artists will continue to produce when you rid them of their right to sell their product in the way they choose?

Uh, that's not what it does. It doesn't take away the right to sell it, just the exclusive right, and I believe lots of people would still buy it and it would still be profitable, so yes, I think they would continue to produce.

But, whether they would or not is irrelevant to my viewpoint that copyright should be abolished.

[donnyg107]

Something tells me you benefit a lot from copyright being abolished, and that in many ways lots of musicians would suffer. Do you think it's possible that you don't value copywrite law nearly as much as an artist would because their music would be effectively free and you wouldn't pay for music or movies anymore? And quite obviously, I mean for you to answer "I'm going to pay for everything because I want to!" so I can understand that there isn't something I'm missing in all this, just a lot of people who want an easier and cheeper way to get music and movies.

[icebraining]

Something tells me you benefit a lot from copyright being abolished

"If you don't agree with me it's because you're corrupt". Frankly, that's just a disgusting personal attack. And if I do, it's just because I'm a member of society and I believe society as a whole benefits a lot from copyright being abolished.

Do you think it's possible that you don't value copywrite law nearly as much as an artist would because their music would be effectively free and you wouldn't pay for music or movies anymore?

Hmm, you should checkout http://www.thepiratebay.org. Music and movies are already effectively free for anyone who doesn't want to pay, and for nerds like me who know how to install and run complex software it'll always be. The elimination of copyright (not copywrite) law doesn't benefit me in that way, no.

And quite obviously, I mean for you to answer "I'm going to pay for everything because I want to!" so I can understand that there isn't something I'm missing in all this, just a lot of people who want an easier and cheeper way to get music and movies.

If I pay, it's already because I want to. Do you really think copyright law stops a person with the average knowledge that HN users have from getting free stuff?

Yes, I pay for stuff I can get for free.