[noselasd]

> You cannot say the same thing about Rust.

At least not yet. My fear is it's _very_ easy to fall in to the same trap as C++ has, and become a big mess. Scott Meyers have a very nice talk here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAWA1DuvCnQ about all these traps and pifalls that we have to deal with in C++.

That said, I'm starting a bit with rust and enjoy it so a lot, especially the tooling alone is worth it - and if I never have to write another line of C++, I would be very happy (ofc the real world argues I have a lot of C++ code that will need maintenance).

[cassepipe]

When I tried Rust I came from Python and it was clearly too much for me to comprehend but after 2 years of C programming and 1 year of C++ programming, the problem Rust tries to solve make a lot more sense and I know understand the problem it's trying to solve. I am trying to use it again things like the borrow checker and Traits now make a lot of sense to me. I am also looking forward at not having to write C++ again. I haven't looked into C++17 and beyond though I must admit.

[phkahler]

If you stick to a subset of C++ it's not so ugly since that's before all the new stuff got bolted on. Rust might undergo similar uglification, but the clean subset should still be there and is better than any clean subset of C++. I still hope that doesn't happen though.