[fyloraspit]

It's not a real programming language tho

[bheadmaster]

Yeah! REAL programmers program only in the REAL programming languages like ${MY_FAVORITE_LANG}. Bash? More like - Bah!.

[roywiggins]

It's not a real programming language in the same way Brainfuck isn't a real programming language, because it makes life too hard.

[bheadmaster]

So does Java, yet it is still considered a real programming language...

[synu]

I always have to share this video on threads like these: https://youtu.be/kdMG40wUCm4. Maybe you’ve seen it - interview with a senior Java developer in 2022.

[bheadmaster]

> It has clean code and a clear architecture which makes it perfect for serious business

I love how vague and meaningless this is, yet I still feel like I've heard this sentence said unironically a hundred times.

[still_grokking]

Let me summarize. Java, the good parts:

> We don't actually use Java. We use Scala.

[woodrowbarlow]

true, but nothing (besides how entrenched sh is) prevents replacing it with a real language. you don't need to use a posix shell in your terminal, any REPL that can launch executables will do. i used tclsh as my shell for a while, for instance.

[still_grokking]

So why do people write real production code in it?