[RobertWHurst]

Thunderf00t jumped the shark years ago. He has a most erect hate boner for Elon I've ever seen. He was also saying for a long time that spacex would never succeed nor starlink. You can hate the man, hell you can even accurately point out that he has a habit of taking a lot of shit, but he has delivered time and time again.

[TheLoafOfBread]

So Tesla's are Fully Scam Driven through Hyperloop tunnels where are no traffic jams? Right now I am only waiting when rocket point to point travel will be cheaper than a plane...

And how much money Starlink make (or not) could be seen recently when Musk was coercing Pentagon to pay for Ukrainian internet.

[RobertWHurst]

I agree not much has happened with the boring company or the hyperloop stuff, and i dont see them going anywhere yet either. But saying Tesla are a scam is unhinged. In a lot of cities a good portion of cars on the road are Teslas. Here in Vancouver it's about as common as a civic. Hundreds of thousands of regular people love their teslas. This is no small feat either. For decades it was commonly believed that electric cars were silly and wouldn't work as an alternative to combustion cars. Telsa is solely responsible for proving those assumptions wrong, and the existing car companies are now having to compete.

In regards to the offer of free service to Ukrane. Thousands of base stations were given for free to the Ukrainian forces, but the demand was way higher than anticipated to the point of being punitive. So when the Pentagon most likey has a budget for this sort of thing, why would you not ask for them to cover cost? Just in this critisim alone there's an interesting point, starlink works and is high demand.

Love him or hate him, despite the fact that he talks off the cuff and doesn't always deliver, has as delivered several times in very big ways. Even if you think somehow other people's brilliance are behind the success of these achievement, you still have to contend with the fact that he has been in leadership at several companies that have completely changed their industry's for the better. Why is Musk at the helm for each of these game changing achievements? Low orbit high speed satellite internet with thousands of satellites, rockets with resusable landing boosters, a very functional and reliable ISS resupply mission, a car company that survived through a financial collapse and has proven the viability of mass production general purpose long range vehicles. Not everything he touches turns to gold, but enough of it is that it needs to be taken seriously.

You can dislike him, he is wacky, but these are facts. Not recognizing these things makes it plain that these criticisms are in bad faith or are based on ignorance.