[mkl95]

They don't chart that much in Europe either. Eurovision is tone deaf.

[dividedbyzero]

I'd rather say that what works in that huge party simply doesn't necessarily work outside of it, at least not everywhere. The ESC is still crazy successful, at 161 Million viewers this year worldwide.

[andybak]

At least in the UK - people are watching with a mixture of morbid fascination and ironic glee. I've never met anyone who thinks it's a valid forum for good pop music.

[AlecSchueler]

Is chart performance really the only marker we have left for cultural relevance?

Eurovision is hugely popular and continuously and commercially successful outside of the charts world.

[ilyt]

It's coz everyone wants to watch a good clown fiesta, not because it has any relevance to music