[moxiemk1]

That is a fairly disappointing rebuttal by him. Hopefully we can simultaneously absorb the good of a nuanced discussion of the issue and condemn bad arguments about it by the same.

In what is a largely evidence based/logical culture, it's frustrating how both sides are often almost completely filled with illogical shouting. Hopefully HN can become a place with a lot more productive discussion about it than it previously has.