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by Shenglong 5291 days ago
[warning: slightly offensive]

I really would hope, that women in video games are in fact judged by how attractive they are. I certainly wouldn't want an obese woman superhero saving the world, just as I'm sure the gay males and the straight women wouldn't want to see a tub of lard (excuse my language) in a male, who is supposed to epitomize the superhuman virtues that we lack.

Yeah, it's shit easy to wave a finger and say "omg u guyz objectify womenz!!!" but honestly, stop for a moment and think about it. This isn't unique to nerd/geek/whatever-you-want-to-call-it culture.

This is spread through the ENTIRE western world. Why? We like beauty. We (and I speak as a straight male - feel free to adjust the context to your preference) like the way those subtle curves meld into a girl's hips. And why shouldn't we? The female body is a thing of beauty - it's delicately crafted, given form by years of grooming and attention. You'll be hard pressed, even among the straight-female population (at least the 18-25 age group), to find many people who think likewise about the male body.

When I told pg about my idea, he told me to consider how females would react; this is very much the same situation. Try dressing a video game girl up in a trench coat, with green hair, and ugly classes, and ask a girl if that's a character she'd like to play. No, it's not.

Who am I to speak? I've been in the gaming industry for a while, and I've probably passed my 10,000 hours of MMO development/management. Give most gaming girls a choice, and they will CHOOSE to dress their characters in slutty--or as they call it, "sexy cute"--clothing. Can you almost see most of their legs? Yes. Should their nipples probably slip out once in a while, if there was a realistic physics engine? Yes.

Do they care? No. Just as I would not like to play a male character whose genitals are almost falling out, females would not like to (in general) play female characters who are covered by obstructive and unattractive clothing. Why do my friends adorn themselves in dresses that barely cover their underwear when they go to clubs? I used to think it was because they wanted to attract males, and while that may sometimes be the case, many of them have loyal boyfriends and won't even dance with other guys.

Want to know the real reason, why there are so few girls in gaming? Well, I don't know - though here's one (partial) guess:

Most "nerds/geeks" are disgusting. I have a terrible sense of smell, and sometimes I'm forced to recoil from my more nerdy peers. If everyone took the time to shower daily, use proper body wash, shampoo (and watch out of dandruff) and condition separately, exfoliate, and shave, I'd bet way more women will enter the gaming phenomenon.

Remember - gaming isn't always a solo affair. Much of the time, directly or indirectly, it's a social activity.

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> Give most gaming girls a choice, and they will CHOOSE to dress their characters in slutty--or as they call it, "sexy cute"--clothing.

I think there's a subtle point being lost here. Female characters designed to appeal to women look different than female characters designed to appeal to men. For example, if the characters are designed to appeal to women, you can pretty much guarantee that they will not look like they have had basketballs implanted in their chests.

Likewise, massive male characters built out of a mountain of muscle are designed primarily to appeal to male power fantasies. Relatively few women will find this especially attractive, and male characters designed to appeal to more (straight) women would be built more along the lines of Ryan Gosling or Ryan Reynolds.

"For example, if the characters are designed to appeal to women, you can pretty much guarantee that they will not look like they have had basketballs implanted in their chests."

I am not a woman.

I live in Southern California.

I see quite a large population of women here who choose to implant what appear to be basketballs in their own chests.

One could debate whether or not this is due to a negative society influence or whatever other factors, but clearly there is a segment of the female population that embraces the "basketballs on the chest" look. Enough so that they choose to participate in the look personally.

So be careful speaking for an entire group, especially when it is as big of a group as "women".

To be fair, IIRC the 'hunky guy' that was well-built/muscled was popular with women in the '80s (so far as I know, feel free to correct me). And I do know at least one woman that is into that archetype.
Have you stopped to think about what the effects of sexually objectifying women are (aside from titillating you)? I don't see how arguing that a harmful thing is pervasive excuses it.
I'm afraid I'm not an expert on subjective causation.
I'm sure the gay males and the straight women wouldn't want to see a tub of lard (excuse my language) in a male

You seem to have a narrow view of human sexuality. Lots of non-heterosexual people have (obviously) decided that mainstream attraction isn't for them, and shag who they want.

And yes for some men, they want to shag big fat guys. They are called "Bears" and are a large niche within the gay community http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bear_(gay_culture) You might see these bears at a gay pride parade. They are big, fat, hairy and proud of it. And they'll get laid that way.

Likewise there are straight men who like big girls, just search for BBW (Big Beautiful Woman) in you favorite porno site.

So your "pretty soft femme girls and butche men" theory is nice. Shame reality disagrees.

Can we look at general themes, rather than exceptions? I'm well aware that exceptions exist, but it's impossible to analyze situations like this that way. There are men and women who are attracted to animals as well, but obviously, these are outside the scope of this discussion.
How general do you want to be? You included gay men, which is ~ 2→5% of the population, so you're already siding on the "include lots of minorities" stand.

My point is that you can't really "analyze the situation" at all, because there are so many different sexualities.

> Most "nerds/geeks" are disgusting.

well at least we agree on something!