[krapp]

European cultures (if we're talking about the US) were never, and still aren't, accepted by indigenous people, much less cheered on. Africans were brought over as slaves and had all connections to their heritage and culture removed, Asians were harassed, sterotyped and made an underclass. Many immigrants had to change their names to "Americanized" versions at Ellis Island, especially Jews.

Yes, a lot of progress has been made in regards to cultural integration in the US, but that progress has been due to attempts to "regulate" cultural blending, rather than in spite of it. The US has had to be forced time and again - often with persistent struggle and at times violence - to live up to its stated ideals. Even today, the most prominent political movement across the US and Europe is explicitly Eurocentric and xenophobic, seeing immigration as a threat to cultural integrity and civil society and multicultural and multiracial integration is at best harmful, at worst impossible.

[rayiner]

Are you American? As a foreigner it seems to me that america is incredibly culturally integrated and open compared to virtually anywhere else. People in my home country wouldn’t put up with a fraction of what Americans put up with.

[philistine]

There’s a difference between the situation on the street so to speak, and the hoarding of power at the political level.

[rayiner]

What “hoarding of power?” Sonia Ghandi, who moved to India at 18, was president of India’s biggest political party for 30 years, but was never able to run for Prime Minister because she was born in Italy. Meanwhile the daughter of an Indian is vice president in the US. The US has got to be one of the few countries in the world where the country’s founding people no longer hold a majority of the political power.

[philistine]

Your one example is terrible, because the US would have prevented Sonia Ghandi from being President too for not being born in the country. Harris was born in the US.

If you believe the anglo-saxon majority no longer holds the majority of the political power in the US, ouf.

[rayiner]

Anglo Saxons are distinctly a minority in the US, both in population and power. The last two Presidents had primarily German (Trump) and Irish ancestry (Biden). The House speaker has Italian ancestry, while the Senate majority leader is Jewish. On the Supreme Court there is a single Anglo Saxon.

[boppo1]

>claiming that cultural and racial integration is impossible

If mathematics and the recognition of cause-and-effect are white supremacy, then maybe they're right. /s

Seriously, this new "dei" or "crt" rhetoric needs to get shut down hard or it will undo all the progress that has been achieved.

[slowmovintarget]

Attacking mathematics and science is part of the playbook for collectivists. Objective truth is the enemy of propaganda. Propaganda is the means to control belief, which is required to control behavior, which is required to centralize control of economic activity (people's behavior) and redistribute resources.

Therefore the idea of the existence of objective truth (2+2=4) must destroyed and subverted in order for the "goodfact" to be swallowed.

I just finished The Road to Serfdom by F. A. Hayek, and he lays this out fairly well as a strategy of totalitarian regimes, or groups with totalitarian impulses. (Chapter 11, I believe)

[Tainnor]

I'll admit to not knowing my history well at this point, but wasn't mathematics and the sciences rather important to socialist countries? Now I don't doubt that ideology will have been injected in certain instances, but at least in mathematics and physics that's a bit harder to do and hence there were quite a number of accomplished mathematicians in the USSR.

Even beyond the natural sciences, this seems to have been somewhat the case. I remember my uncle, who is as unabashedly anti-communist as it gets, once showing me a grammar of some minority language written in the GDR and commenting, almost with admiration, that "back then, they invested a lot of resources on things like that".

[kaba0]

Yes, the Soviet Union was actually quite enlightened on the science front, and they were especially good in teaching Mathematics and elevating talent. Just compare a soviet era math textbook to its “western” counterpart, the former is much more in-depth. Also, they were famously anti-religion, putting science above it.

[TeeMassive]

> were never, and still aren't, accepted by indigenous people, much less cheered on.

This is simply not true. The natives embraced a lot of aspects of European culture. Nearly all developed métis cultures and deep commercial trade. Most of the initial treaties were ones of friendship and alliances.

Go visit a native museum, they want to preserve their culture, not expunge it from European influence. They hate wokeness and mass immigration too, by the way.