[chiefalchemist]

Fwiw I understand why people despise Don. But I don't understand the blind dedication to hate, especially when other politicians and leaders pull similar shenanigans and then there's crickets.

If you're violently against X or Y that's fine. But apply the rules evenly, fairly, and rationally. When you hate so hard and so long that you lose your compass...that's irrational.

The majority of Trump haters fall into this bucket.

[sofixa]

> But I don't understand the blind dedication to hate, especially when other politicians and leaders pull similar shenanigans and then there's crickets

Do feel free to share examples of other politicians mocking disabled people, or bragging about sexual assault, or trying a coup or any of the millions of transgressions of trump and not facing any criticism.

[chiefalchemist]

So unless someone uses the exact words, it's ok?

The hate is too strong in you and yours.

Hard pass. Have a nice day. And yeah, thanks for proving my point.

[newsclues]

Mocking disabled people is bad. Bragging about sexual assault is horrific.

But let's talk about the stuff politicians do that is truly wrong and evil, like waging wars that kill people?

Let's talk about the War on Terror and how many people died. Remember that the media and government sold the American people a bunch of lies to sell these wars.

https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/costs/human/civilians/ir... 100,000+ civilian deaths

https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/costs/human/civilians/af... 70,000+ civilian deaths

Thanks for mentioning regime change, which coups do you blame on Donald Trump from this list? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_r...

[FieryTransition]

yeah, one of the real big issues are the government enabling alot of these wars and the dependency of a large part of the economy on the military-industrial complex, the morals thereof and the corruptional influence of the entities which want to further gain through military-industrial means, or justify it as as necessary at this point wrt. the economy.

[chiefalchemist]

Meanwhile, the focus is on anything but the MIC. The MIC loves distractions. Trump Hating being one of their faves.

[FieryTransition]

Sadly, this is true, distractions are a tool which have been well used as subterfuge. And the fourth pillar of democracy have been bought, and most of the rest just spew badly written clickbait. It's hard to have a good government when people are not well informed or educated, to see things more broadly, question things and relate them to historical events. The thing is, it's hard to question things if you don't have a good framework, which has to be more than just navel-gazing. Some only see what is immedietly in front of them, and feed into the emotional side of things as a distraction.

[chiefalchemist]

That's my point. His conduct is bad. It deserves to be called out. But that's no excuse to forgive loads of things just because:

- the media doesn't make an issue out of it

- it's been normalized

The irony is, the loud broken-compass hypocrites are part of the problem. They're not speaking truth to the prevailing powers. Power who have set the stage for Trump and his ilk. Don is a symptom. It's foolish to obsess over a symptom while the root causes get a free pass.

[UncleMeat]

I’m not aware of any other politician that attacks people from his own party for having names that “sound Chinese”.

[chiefalchemist]

You're right. Instead he should have shamelessly claimed his Peace Prize and then proceed to bomb the sh*t out of Afghanistan - often killing civilians - all the while keeping that I'm so lovable smile on his face.

Or, he should have told you how wonderful he was for signing the Paris Climate Agreement, yet - per Naomi Klein and others - it was a nonsense agreement (i.e., nothing binding, soft commitments, etc.). And then on his watch of 8 yrs, USA fracking production ramps up to the point of the USA becoming a net exporter of fossil fuels. How green is that?

And these things compare how to your example? You have lost your compass as well.

But thank you for proving my point.

[FieryTransition]

I understand that there's frustration and a lot has to do with the focus on hate or being hated, that's where the rhetoric seems to land at least.

I would say, if the hate was completely irrational, or you think that the other politicians are just as bad, then that is not ok either. Since two wrongs does not equal right, and actions should not be seen as a balance scale of 'doing equally bad things to each other', which somehow rationally makes it ok to do bad things in what seems to be a hateful way. It should not be accepted to do bad things, no matter the party, the opposition or person.

So if you think Trump is doing bad things, and the other party is doing bad things as well, rejecting both Trump and the other party seems like the logical option given the options? You don't have to belong to any camp/party, it's a hurtful illusion/rhetoric IMO, 'us or them'.

And if you think the current other politicians are doing bad things as well, I'm genuinely interested to know what bad things they are, and not just things which can be seen as political disagreements. Because I I just don't know what you are thinking about when you say it specifically, it's as simple as that, not ill intentioned. But I can understand if you do not wish to air your opinions.

But I'm under no illusion that on both sides of the parties there are and have been bad actors and corruption, which has been ongoing in many forms, which must be fought no matter where it is. I'm just afraid that when you 'weigh evil' as a justification you lose nuance, and people are more likely to fall into the tribalistic rhetoric equivalent of 'mud slinging' or just calling 'hate' which I find sadly unproductive.