[gilded-lilly]

Well, hey, if you’re willing to die on that hill, and feed your only child to the machine on principle, then I guess there’s nothing I can say that would change your mind. Personally, I think there is nothing good that can come from recreational heroin or methamphetamine. They are not only hurting themselves - the cost to society is massive. And while they may choose to do it - they can’t choose to stop.

[perilunar]

The only machine here is the legal machine that makes criminals out of ordinary people, and makes cops and politicians corrupt.

The cost to society is mostly caused by the criminalisation, not the drugs. And many drug users do stop eventually. Give them access to clean drugs and mental health support and more will.

[gilded-lilly]

Keep spouting that nonsense. You’ve clearly never been close to a drug addict. As an addict told me once: drugs will take away everything you have.

[perilunar]

What would you know? I've known addicts, and I've known addicts that got clean.

[gilded-lilly]

Well none that you gave a hoot about.