[throwaway932489]

Wikipedia has an interesting note

"Cultural influences such as Christmas creep may have led to the winter season being perceived as beginning earlier in recent years"

I think I've always considered November to be winter, and at some point I picked up that Christmas is in the middle/even towards the end to break it up and give everyone something to look forward to, so I'm always a bit surprised seeing talk of winter in the future tense once I've put on the winter duvet/started wearing a coat all the time/turned on the central heating (not this year).

Equally anything in Feb seems firmly Spring.

But I'm not trying to force this on anyone!

[cronin101]

In many parts of Northern Europe, at least, February is often the absolute coldest month (most likely for snowfall in UK, for example). So for heating worries, we’re definitely not out of the woods come February.

[KevinGlass]

Here in New England, USA November is firmly in Fall/Autumn And Feburary is firmly Winter. March is also Winter until the last week.

[soperj]

In Alberta November is Firmly in Winter, same with February (normally the coldest month of the year). Most years October & April also fall into it. Only month I haven't seen snow is July.

[mindslight]

You forgot The Marmot.

[Fogest]

I realized this is exactly what has been happening for me. Because of even how early things like Christmas shows and stores switching into Chrismas mode happens it really does make it feel like Winter is late. But really it's just that culturally Christmas has started happening earlier.

[seiferteric]

I always thought that the shortest day shouldn't be the first day of winter, but rather the middle, so then winter would begin in late October, and summer would begin in late April.

[thaumasiotes]

> I always thought that the shortest day shouldn't be the first day of winter, but rather the middle

That's not just you. Every traditional calendar says the same thing.

As far as I can tell, the idea that winter starts on the solstice, when it's been winter for more than a month (unless you're in the tropics), is an invention of Hallmark or some other calendar manufacturer. It is based on nothing.

I tried reading Poor Richard's Almanac[1] to see if it indicated the "beginning of [any season]", but if it does I didn't understand. (There is a column of "remarkable days", but it is often difficult to understand the entries in that column.)

Careful track is kept of the exact time of sunrise and sunset, and of what kind of weather to expect ("rain"; "snow"), but the seasons don't seem to be labeled explicitly.

Interestingly, I browsed through the Almanac of 1748 as a sanity check while writing this comment, and the sunrise and sunset times clearly identify June 14 (well, the 8-day period from June 10 to June 17) as the summer solstice (we'd expect June 20 or 21) and, much more weirdly, March 8 (exactly) as the vernal equinox, where we'd expect March 20. The autumnal equinox is September 11 and the winter solstice is sometime between December 3 and December 18.

Either Benjamin Franklin was terrible at calculating astronomical dates, or there was a calendar adjustment between then and now.

[1] http://www.rarebookroom.org/Franklin.html

[niij]

There was indeed a calendar change just 4 years after the 1748 almanac you were reading. In 1752 the American colonies switched from the Julian to the Gregorian calendar. That leaped 11 days ahead.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adoption_of_the_Gregorian_cale...

[teslabox]

The oceans are Earth’s heat buffers. Summers are when the ocean stores heat, winters are when it releases heat.

There is more land in the northern hemisphere, more ocean in the Southern Hemisphere. Summers get hotter in the north, winters get colder. This is because land does not store/release nearly as much heat as ocean.