[fuckstick]

Without disagreeing on the specific points about the tooling, I’m not convinced. Golang took off with a far weaker tooling story. Maybe the table stakes have changed in a decade - but I believe other factors are more important. Moreover I remain skeptical that even if those tooling issues were fixed tomorrow it would help Nim turn the corner.

[0cf8612b2e1e]

> Golang took off with a far weaker tooling story

All Go had to do was say, “Built by Google” and people came running.

[elcritch]

Well, the "designed by UNIX co-creator" piece helped too I'm sure.

[silisili]

Dart was built by Google, and nobody wants to touch it. Well, a few diehard fans.

Go is a nice language that gets a lot right. Saying people only use it because of Google is kinda shortsighted.

[pjmlp]

Because Chrome kind of sabotaged the project by dropping Dartium, while Angular team decided to sponsor Typescript and moved away from Dart.

The language was saved from dying by AdWords, which had just migrated from GWT into AngularDart.

Key designers from Dart 1.0 eventually left Google, like Gilad and Lund.

Flutter gave it a new life, but also is the only reason to use Dart, Flutter apps.

[winrid]

Maybe! It would get me on board, though :) I'm working on a new server side project and am using Java for now, because of this reason. I hope someday I have time to help build IDE plugins and so on :)

[goodpoint]

> Golang took off with a far weaker tooling story

Corporate marketing budget and related astroturfing.