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by kgermino 1314 days ago
I don't see anything here indicating that other manufacturers will start using the Tesla connector. Unfortunately we're already well into the format war with two standards: Tesla and Everyone Else (CCS).

Honestly this feels more like a desperate attempt by Tesla to push back on the trend towards CCS instead of a substantive announcement
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Lendal 1314 days ago
They might be trying to get ahead of a possible push to mandate CCS, and they don't want to get pushed around like Apple did.

I for one am fine with it. The "NACS" is objectively better by almost every available measure, and if the despised Elon Musk wants to give his stuff away, hey I'll take it. Any good reasons why we should reject this proposal?

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kgermino 1314 days ago
> Any good reasons why we should reject this proposal?

No idea here. The 1 MW charging claim feels weird since faster charging was definitely a touted benefit of CCS in the recent past. I'm not sure if something changed.

To me, it doesn't really matter one way or another. The CCS connector is bulky, but so is a gas station nozzle and I've never had a problem using one of those. Plus you'll use the CCS connector less often since most charging is done at home with a connector comparable to the NACS one. I'd probably lean towards CCS because it's effectively the same as international standards, it's already the standard, and separating the AC and DC pins probably simplifies engineering on the car side but I don't actually care as long as we all use one connector with an open spec.

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chroma 1313 days ago
North America's CCS[1] isn't compatible with Europe's CCS[2]. They're physically different connectors.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:J1772_(CCS1).svg

2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IEC_62196_Type_2_(M,_DC,_...

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kortilla 1313 days ago
>it's already the standard,

Not sure how you’re defining “standard” but given that Tesla has the major majority here, its connector is the standard most people are familiar with.

If you just mean, it’s something not proprietary that other manufacturers agreed on, then sure.

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kgermino 1313 days ago
I mean it's something not proprietary that _every_ other manufacturer and _the federal government_ agreed on.

You can't reasonably say that e.g. USB is a standard and CCS is not

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kortilla 1311 days ago
But that’s an empty gesture when the size is so irrelevant.

>You can't reasonably say that e.g. USB is a standard and CCS is not

CCS is “a standard” but Tesla is “the standard” from a consumer perspective.

The same thing happened with apple lightning early on. It was far better and dominated micro usb. If they had opened it early during usb-c it would have just killed usb-c and been the new standard.

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Hamuko 1314 days ago
>They might be trying to get ahead of a possible push to mandate CCS, and they don't want to get pushed around like Apple did.

Waaaaaay too late for that. It'd be like Apple telling that they'll open the Lightning connector and that other phone manufacturers should switch to it, if Apple had done that in like 2019.

Sure, nice try, but maybe you should've taken this position about a decade earlier.

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