[throwawaaarrgh]

"You just have to train them"

I have never worked anywhere where engineers got basic training. They were just expected to perform, and so they would perform poorly, because they lacked so much basic knowledge. There's such inconsistency and such little understanding that they often confuse each other and waste each other's time trying to figure out simple things.

That's the bulk of the entire industry now.

[socialismisok]

That's unfortunate. Both Google and Amazon gave my teams ample ramp up time. We used that to fix knowledge gaps and get people comfortable with our stack.

And everyone was expected to learn new skills over time, no matter their level or experience.