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by bigdaddyrabbit2 1317 days ago
Unlike traditional finance, all this is on-chain, so you can trivially look it up.

https://etherscan.io/address/0x7abe0ce388281d2acf297cb089cae...

FTX seems to be processing withdrawals normally. For the life of me, I can't understand why journalists love to speculate instead of doing a 5-second search on EtherScan.

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SBF and CZ tweeted. https://twitter.com/cz_binance/status/1590013613586411520 https://twitter.com/SBF_FTX/status/1590012124864348160

Reading through the lines: FTX is in trouble and faces a "liquidity crunch", Binance might acquire them (But will do Due Dilligence first).

FTX US is not affected (SBF says funds are SAFU for FTX US, probably withdrawals are working for US but not FTX global)

> SBF says funds are SAFU for FTX US

Why would anyone trust this?

The article seems to be based on https://etherscan.io/tokentxns?a=0x2faf487a4414fe77e2327f0bf..., which does seem to have only incoming transitions unlike the "FTX Exchange 3" account you linked.

Is this FTX changing their patterns for which accounts they use for withdrawals, and then this being interpreted as withdrawals being halted?

Every single "OUT" TX appears to be for 0 eth?

Upon further inspection, it actually looks like the only transactions they're processing are the ones from their own wallet. The entire TX history looks really suspicious to me.

Are we looking at the same thing?

E.g a very recent TX with some ETH going out: https://etherscan.io/tx/0x5a282187181907995b37c0df1888dfe364...

Doesn’t it display as 0 ETH if it’s an ERC20 transaction?
Really couldn't tell you, I haven't been serious about crypto since 2014 :p

That being said, does FTX even allow custodial ERC20 transactions? I'd be surprised if they did.

Dude, those are transfers for ERC-20 tokens...
It looks like your link is for ETH, and mine (copied from the article) is for tokens.
I admit I did panic and tried to withdraw my funds yesterday. They just processed it today. A bit delayed but still processing.
Nothing wrong with taking a caution first approach.

However to me most articles about FTX seem like "panic first, research after". Yes SBF's investment company might be fucked, but customers funds should be totally separate from that.

>Yes SBF's investment company might be fucked, but customers funds should be totally separate from that.

Sure, and Tether "should be" one-to-one backed by US dollars.

In crypto, a lot of the time the "should be", isn't.

> Yes SBF's investment company might be fucked, but customers funds should be totally separate from that.

Crypto isn’t regulated so there is no segregation or protection of customer funds

Also see this: no FDIC insurance, letter from FDIC alleging misrepresentations from FTX: https://twitter.com/ClarityToast/status/1590022331220787201

I think that “should” is working really hard there.

We only have to look at the other crypto firms that have gone bust to know this space is rife with problems in that area - lies about FDIC protection, cryptocurrency and tokens considered part of company assets and subject to creditor claims, rather than customer deposits etc.

I wouldn’t like to rely on that “should”.

Ftx is quite profitable: Good fee income with little marketing expense. So it has a large intangible value.

I assume most traders on ftx only put enough capital on the exchange to keep their positions open in the short term.

So the intangible value of ftx may well exceed the value of clients assets by a significant margin. Then ftx may well be able to issue new shares should it experience a liquidity crunch.

> little marketing expense

Are you sure? I come bearing no data at all, but it seems everything I listen to or watch is sponsored by FTX. Didn't they also go huge during Superbowl? I would think FTX is one of the largest marketing spenders in crypto purely based on optics (which, again, may be completely off).

> I wouldn’t like to rely on that “should”.

And you don't have to. Best always to hold your own coins yourself if you have that possibility, or use a custodian you trust.

> or use a custodian you trust

That's the point. A lot of "trustworthy" crypto custodians have turned out to be… not.

The context of my comment was

“it’s fine, don’t worry about withdrawing and holding your coins yourself, your deposits are safe”

It appears that you actually agree with me that they may not be.

This comment sure aged well.
First one out, no problem.

Second one out, no problem.

Last one out, problem.

FTX looks to be toast, Binance are in takeover talks. Perhaps you were the one speculating?
https://etherscan.io/accounts/label/ftx

All? the accounts of FTX in the ethereum network.