[iquerno]

This reminds me of how the whole philosophy of python is 'simplicity', but the moment you want to start building something you must be reminded of how you haven't updated to the latest version of gnu-anaconda-conda-py-pip3-x86_64-cpython-limited-edition and are consequently prompted to download 5 Gigabytes of inference APIs to print hello world on a distributed multi-cloud pay-for-what-you-use Kubernetes instance .

[bobthepanda]

the difference seems to be

* the burden of CSS implementation of standards, is mostly on browsers

* the new standards are supposed to be reducing complexity. Nobody wants to go back to hacking rounded corners together. CSS Grid finally gave us a sane way to specify 2D layouts, which were previously all designed by hacking 1D-priority things.

[camtarn]

...what mirror-universe version of Python are you using?

One of my two main languages nowadays is Python, mostly deployed on single cloud instances, and it's still a case of writing a text file, sticking a #!/usr/bin/python at the top, and running it.

Obviously if you're doing something that pulls in a ton of dependencies and uses live ever-changing APIs, you're in a much more complicated situation, but Python has never stopped being really darn simple for the simple use cases.

[di456]

Dockerized environments are a godsend for this problem. I keep a generic docker env that I can clone into a new project in a few keystrokes. Hello world from local in minutes or less, on a recent version of python.