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by FortiDude 1315 days ago
unlabelled satirical identity theft is identity theft
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Identity theft is not a joke, Jim.
"You wouldn't steal a car

You wouldn't steal a movie

You wouldn't steal an identity

Parody. It's a crime."

Millions of families suffer every year!
Dammit Jim, I'm a doctor, not an identity thief
Yes, the solution is to label everything. You should label your comment as known to the State of California to cause cancer, or birth defects or other reproductive harm.
If only Twitter had some means by which one could verify one's identity and add a signifier to the account.
Everybody shall post real name and telephone number for identity verification. /s
If the whole point of your account is to make people laugh with the imaginary pretense that your posts are coming from another person/institution then yes, the potential readers should know it's fake.

A comic strip artist that I follow constantly puts fake words into famous peoples' mouths in his newspaper sections, but even tough I know it's fake I can still partake in the momentary delusion and get a good laugh

> potential readers should know it's fake.

If potential readers cannot differentiate between reality and parody they're either deep in a conspiracy rabbit hole, or reality has become too crazy. Both these cases would again be a valid reason for parody to point out this fact.

Jokes work by surprising the audience. Pretending to be someone else before revealing the truth is just one method of doing this, and requiring to label it as parody is like explaining the punchline before the joke. The Onion recently wrote an actual legal document on exactly this and how required labelling of parody violates free speech.

And hate speech can be harmful. But hate speech is free speech. Is unlabeled parody free speech?
> And hate speech can be harmful. But hate speech is free speech. Is unlabeled parody free speech?

Come on, everybody knows that: unlabeled parody is hate speech /s

Can you impersonate someone as a joke? No. Parody is not identity theft.

When a comedian "impersonates" a politicians we all partake in a temporary delusion aided by the comic's ability to mimick the politician. Everyone knows it's fake but we laugh nonetheless. Making a hyper-realistic deep fake video of a politician saying absurd stuff is not free speech without appropriate labelling.

You've characterized this as "impersonation" in order to exclude the possibility of parody, it's merely sophistry. This is a view of parody that falls apart when you look at actual parody. There have been many times I've been absentmindedly reading an article, been incredulous, and then realize it was from The Onion.
I have characterized it as impersonation because this is exactly what has been done in this case.

It's funny that you mention The Onion, because they are impersonating nobody since there is no legitimate news outlet named "The Onion". Their articles might mimick the writing style of legitimate ones, but they are not claiming to be CNN or Fox.

You said parody is never confusing. I have an anecdote about how it can be. My experience is a common one.

I'd appreciate hearing an argument for this being impersonation rather than hearing it repeatedly asserted, as if it weren't a fact in dispute.

> Can you impersonate someone as a joke? No. Parody is not identity theft.

Can you point to case law that makes this clear? Intent highly matters and I don't see anyone facing legal repercussions for impersonating someone for comic intent or even politically motivated intentions. Not to mention, Twitter already has a mechanism identifying verified accounts, doesn't it?

> Making a hyper-realistic deep fake video of a politician saying absurd stuff is not free speech without appropriate labelling.

Lying is mostly not against the law and is covered under free speech. In fact in 2012 the Supreme Court ruled that lying can be Constitutionally protected under free speech. [1] Whether or not such video would be ethically wrong is another matter. But I think you are wrong is in saying it is not free speech.

https://www.npr.org/2012/02/22/147257716/is-a-lie-just-free-...