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by easrng 1315 days ago
iMessage is (at least somewhat) end to end encrypted and SMS is not.
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adlpz 1315 days ago
SMS is very uncommon in much of Europe.

I'm feeling you are assuming that the alternative to iMessages in Europe is SMS. It's not. The alternative is WhatsApp, Telegram, Signal, Facebook Messenger, etc.

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easrng 1315 days ago
Signal > WhatsApp > iMessage > Telegram > Facebook Messenger > SMS
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aendruk 1315 days ago
Is this how you estimate people in Europe do rank alternatives, or just how you think they should?
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easrng 1313 days ago
That's just how I rank alternatives.
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gruez 1315 days ago
>WhatsApp > ... > Facebook Messenger

why? They're both end to end encrypted but owned by meta.

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aendruk 1315 days ago
Signal, WhatsApp, and iMessage frame privacy from the service operator as the norm, while the others relegate it to some “I’m being sneaky now” switch.

Framing fundamental privacy measures as sneaky mode is actively harmful to their broader adoption, paints a target on the few people who do have dire need for protection, and makes us all vulnerable to efforts to legislate against what progress we’ve made.

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vetinari 1315 days ago
> Signal, WhatsApp, and iMessage make E2EE the norm

E2E. yes; explicit key management, no.

So basically you are getting encryption on your device, but do not know, who can decrypt.

About the only messaging app that makes some effort on key verification and keys cannot be changed randomly is Threema.

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aendruk 1315 days ago
(?) You’re replying under a thread about the ranking of WhatsApp vs. Facebook Messenger in a list that doesn’t even include Threema.
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