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by trhr 1319 days ago
Yeah, you can stop supporting censorship.

Facebook, Twitter, Reddit et al are modern censorship platforms. I know that saying that violates liberal dogma, but it's true. You could probably even go so far as to say cancel culture is a censorship platform, particularly when it's misused.

The problem with censorship is that it stifles intellectualism. Intellectuals have always cut against the grain and said crazy shit in essays, much like I'm saying now. It's the sort of crazy shit that challenges your worldview, and it's natural to want to downvote, report, and have that content removed from your platform of choice.

But intellectualism is the only thing that can create a revolution.

And politically-correct censorship is getting all the intellectuals silenced (along with all the actual idiots).

Now, what's it mean to "stop supporting censorship?" Everybody agrees that, as private platforms, these companies have the right to moderate and remove any speech that they choose. The problem is that they're also seeking protections under Section 230, which says "Internet companies that don't moderate their content can't be responsible for their content." This creates a dilemma, especially when these companies have created an oligopoly surrounding online speech.

We need legislation that establishes the public forums and discussion areas on these providers as public utilities so that their users receive first amendment protections under the Constitution. This still allows them to remove content that violates the first amendment - like incitement - but would otherwise reclaim the internet as the world's largest mass free speech zone.

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>"Hate speech can't exist on the internet, because words on a computer screen cannot physically threaten you."

If this is an example of the "intellectualism" you're championing, then honestly nothing of value was lost.

I edited to remove this, because it detracts from the point, despite the fact that the Supreme Court has specifically ruled that ALL hate speech legislation in the U.S. is unconstitutional.

Whether or not "nothing of value was lost" depends on how much you value the freedom of Iranians.

Personally, I only downvote content that violates the rules or is spam. Since a downvote is the first step to having content hidden, downvoting things just because you disagree with them makes you a censor. That's not a good thing to be, yet the companies offering downvotes know about and encourage this behavior. Don't you ever wonder why? State actors routinely use these tools to silence their critics, and yet you play ball.

You're not being persecuted by state actors. Your views, as far as I can tell, aren't even that heterodox.

But trying to derail a thread about an actual dissident to focus on cancel culture and deplatforming is obnoxious and worth the crits you're taking, IMO. If that serves some dark CIA agenda, I guess I'll have to take that risk.

It's not derailing, you're just too interested in playing political football to understand the worldwide implications of these platforms handling moderation.

The U.S. Constitution grants some of the strongest guarantees of free speech in the world. Most other nations have laws limiting speech that would violate our Constitution. Forcing these platforms to play by our Constitution is a big win for the entire world, because Facebook routinely over-moderates topics of public interest in places like Iran, too.

https://www.oversightboard.com/decision/FB-P93JPX02/ https://www.oversightboard.com/decision/IG-2PJ00L4T/

They are censoring people _everywhere_, but American snowflakes would rather protect their sensitive ears from unpopular opinions than allow everyone to speak freely everywhere in the world.

Forcing Facebook et al to become nationalized so they can't legally moderate content as they wish wouldn't somehow lead to an intellectual revolution in Iran - authoritarian governments already block Facebook and other Western platforms, and if they didn't, those governments would still insist that they follow local laws (including censorship laws.) So we would be flooded with Iranian propaganda, anti-semitic memes and shit that we couldn't legally stop, while Iran would still be persecuting dissidents.
In other words, "Free speech doesn't always help so free speech can never help."

Look, we're not gonna find common ground on this. We'll just have to build a new, decentralized internet, and then you can keep Facebook.