[_oyks]

Yeah I think you might be missing the point - the aim with these protests is to toe the line between getting news attention without getting it for the wrong reasons. The actual protest and the cause do not have to be perfectly matched

[veeti]

The wrong reasons, such as blocking first aid and causing the death of an innocent cyclist: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63517102

Maybe it's time to start calling out these ecoterrorist clowns for what they truly are.

[ok_dad]

They caused one death, polluting industry caused millions per year. I guess I feel bad for the cyclist, but people die everyday and no one hears about it. Blaming the climate movement for a single death is simply redirecting focus from the probability that we’re all headed for a big hurt due to lack of concern and self control as a society.

[fargle]

that's why they are eco-terrorists - terrorist: a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

the problem is that the cyclist they killed is not "the polluting industry". the other problem is that even if he was CEO of Exxon, what is revenge killing OK now and not murder?

if you go around blocking, harassing, destroying property, injuring and/or killing people - who are individuals that largely have no more or less ability to change things than you - then you are a terrorist, not a protester. you do not know if that traffic jam blocked an organ transplant or an ambulance.

it's fine to protest and hold signs and shout and have parades and be politically active, fine you are an activist. beyond that, you're no longer the good guy underdog - you're worse than "the industry" you wish to save us from.

[ok_dad]

Wow that’s a lot of hyperbole. If I called you a Nazi right now (I’m not, it’s rhetorical) it would almost be less hyperbolic than calling a huge group of protestors terrorists and worse than big oil because one guy died due to traffic.

[fargle]

wow, that's maybe even a better example of hyperbole. Engaging in written discourse that disagrees with you is closer to being a nazi than saying protesters that break numerous laws, harass thousands of innocent people for media attention, who injured and killed (unwittingly) are eco-terrorists? Sure they didn't bomb anything, but they sure intended to illegally harm and harass innocent folks just to make their point.

So yeah, I'm not convinced "big oil" is the bigger danger to democracy than this kind of, perhaps misguided, behavior in a free and civilized society. You really want minority opinion groups enforcing their strong opinions on everybody else by force and terrorist tactics? That door swings both ways big time and what happens next wouldn't be "fixing big oil" it'd be far, far, worse (China? Russia? Saudi?).

[yellowapple]

> So yeah, I'm not convinced "big oil" is the bigger danger to democracy than this kind of, perhaps misguided, behavior in a free and civilized society.

If you're unconvinced that the very perpetrators of what's in all likelihood an existential threat to humanity as a species are a bigger danger to democracy than the very people doing what little they can to prevent that existential threat, then you are encouraged to review the abundance of evidence available. Kinda hard to have democracy when we're all dead.

[ok_dad]

> If I called you a Nazi right now (I’m not, it’s rhetorical)

> it’s rhetorical

[melling]

Nah, they’re climate change “alarmists”. People ignore them. It doesn’t change anyone’s mind.

https://youtu.be/3E0a_60PMR8

https://www.foxnews.com/media/physicist-tells-tucker-carlson...

Companies do make more promises they can’t keep.

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/02/07/study-worlds-biggest-fir...

[voldacar]

The point of the protests is for the protesters to signal moral righteousness

[antiterra]

I’m going to let you in on a secret: people can have deeply held beliefs. Yes, some people are dishonest about their opinions for political or social advantage. However, a knee jerk reaction that people vocally expressing an opinion you disagree with are simply posturing or virtue signaling is a form of denial.

[melling]

Which opinion do you think we disagree with?

The point we really would like you to understand is that doing meaningless pointless things that accomplish nothing is wasting everyone’s time.

If anything, people are making the problem worse.

Peter Thiel won’t be giving up flying private anytime soon.

https://youtu.be/Tl_QeSk1_4k